On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote:
On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote:
I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to
both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had
8 questions:
1. What city did you last recall being in?
2. How many cities do you see now?
3. What is the name of the city you see before you?
4. True/False: You see two cities right now:
5. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington was:
6. True/False: The prediction that you see Moscow was:
7. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington and Moscow was:
8. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington or Moscow was:
When I gave the questionnaire to John-Washington, he filled out the
following answers (in bold):
1. What city did you last recall being in? Helsinki
2. How many cities do you see now? One
3. What is the name of the city you see before you? Washington
4. True/False: You see two cities right now: False
5. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington was: True
6. True/False: The prediction that you see Moscow was: False
7. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington and Moscow
was: False
8. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington or Moscow
was: True
When I gave the questionnaire to John-Moscow, he filled out the
following answers (in bold):
1. What city did you last recall being in? Helsinki
2. How many cities do you see now? One
3. What is the name of the city you see before you? Moscow
4. True/False: You see two cities right now: False
5. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington was: False
6. True/False: The prediction that you see Moscow was: True
7. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington and Moscow
was: False
8. True/False: The prediction that you see Washington or Moscow
was: True
Both Johns expressed deep regret over insulting people on the
Everything list, most especially Bruno. It turned out neither John-
Washington's, nor John-Moscow's prediction that they would see both
cities was true from their own first person points of view.
But you have introduced a distinction between John-W and John-M that
is not present in the original protocol. Remember that the criterion
of personal identity you are working with is based on person
memories (verified by a personal diary if necessary). Both copies of
John have these memories and these diaries, so they both have equal
claims to be John. "John", as this duplicated person, predicts with
certainty that he will see W, and that he will see M, so he predicts
that he will see both cities.
Yes, but only one in all 1p views accessible, and the question is on
the future 1p view, not on the 3-1 views, for the same reason that
when we look at 1/sqrt(2)(up + down) in the {up, down} base we can
predict with certainty that we will see either up, OR down and never
both at once.
The fact that this appears odd is that our conventional intuition is
essentially dualist -- we think that there is a central core that is
the "real me" that gives me my continuing sense of personal
identity. This intuition breaks down when you have duplication of
persons.
Then computationalism, and Everett QM breaks down. Computationalism
guaranties that whoever you will become, it is lived and felt as one
unique person in one city, or you bring some telepathy of a kind not
possible with computationalism with the protocol discussed.
Bruno
Bruce
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