On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>> In the 1-view, which remain both unique from the 1-view. >> >> > >> >> Then which one has >> >> >> *THE UNIQUE* 1-view, the Moscow man or the Washington man? >> > > > Both, from the 1-p views, > How on earth can both have *THE *1-p view, or have anything else for that matter, if that thing is *UNIQUE*? >> >> everybody involved >> K >> new everything so nobody was surprised by any of events after the events >> that transpired after duplication so nobody learned anything new. > > > > > Wrong, both learns which cities they are in, > I just saw a black cat. I have become The Black Cat Seeing Man. Why am I The Black Cat Seeing Man and not The White Cat Seeing Man? Because I just saw a black cat. I just saw Moscow. I have become the Moscow Seeing Man. Why am I the Moscow Seeing Man and not the Washington Seeing Man? Because I just saw Moscow. I believe both though experiments are of equal philosophical profundity. Zero. > > > and both knows that they could never have guess this. > This? It's true Neither the Washington Man nor the Moscow Man could have guessed "this", and they couldn't have guessed anything else either because before the duplication neither the Washington Man nor the Moscow man even existed. However the Helsinki Man could most certainly have predicted that the copy of himself who saw Moscow would become the Moscow Man and the copy of himself who saw Washington would become the Washington Man. What else is there to predict? What is "this"? > > The H-guy says there is 100% chance he will see M. Then the W-guy refutes > this, > Yesterday somebody predicted that today a male would see Moscow. I am a male and yet today I don't see Moscow. Therefore the prediction has been refuted and no male saw Moscow today. > > The duplicating machine never duplicates the 1-views from the 1-view pov. > Why on earth not? > > > It duplicates only the 1-view in the 3-1 view picture > This gets to the very key of the issue! If true then it's not a people duplicating machine, there is something about consciousness that no arrangement of atoms can produce and computationalism is dead wrong. But then you're assuming the very thing you're trying to prove, > > The W guy has tto write W in his diary, and that is something he (the > HW-guy) could never have known in advance > Yesterday in Helsinki the HW-guy couldn't know anything at all because until H-guy saw Washington the HW-guy didn't exist. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
