On 22 Jan 2017, at 04:20, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 9:05 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> You shouldn't be so hard on Greek physics. It's Aristotle
and Plato's "physics" writings that happened to survive and could be
interpreted as compatible with Christianity got adopted by the early
Church.
You're probably right I overreacted, it's just that I've had a belly
full of ancestor worship. However it's true that Aristotle and
Plato's physics was not all the physics that the Greeks had to
offer, even if it was by far the most influential and the only
type that Bruno talks about.
Because Plato and Aristotle provides the only known conception or
realities, and ask the first questions. You seems genuinely unable to
understand that you defend all the time the second God of Aristotle,
that is materialism, physicalism. So I am forced to recall you that
other conception exists. And it is a whole rich historical thread
leading eventually to modern mathematical logic. (The book by Daniel
J. Cohen is quite revealing in that respect).
Let me simplify. In some platonist circle the believers were the
believers in physics and nature. The non believers were believing in
mathematics, and the physical was supposed to be explained by
mathematics. This worked actually: it *is* the birth of the modern
science, but instead of promoting mathematics and mathematicalism,
people came back quickly to the bad habit in believing in some
ontological physical reality, (the bread of the christ of the
churches), and forget or hide that science has not yet decided between
Plato and Aristotle *theology*.
People saying that theology is crap are people saying that we cannot
doubt Aristotle assumption of a physical reality.
Bruno
John K Clark
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