Re: subjective experience

['Brent Meeker' via Everything List]

On 7/20/2019 11:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:


Le dim. 21 juil. 2019 à 08:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List 
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    On 7/20/2019 10:59 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:


    Le dim. 21 juil. 2019 à 02:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
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        On 7/20/2019 1:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:


        Le sam. 20 juil. 2019 à 22:27, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything
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            On 7/20/2019 3:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
            > Why? You will push on a button. You assume mechanism,
            so you know you
            > will not die, and you know that with mechanism, you
            cannot survive
            > being in two cities and seeing simultaneously the two
            cities, so it is
            > quite natural to ask yourself where you could feel to
            be after the
            > experience.
            >
            > There are no relevant counterfactuals here. Everything
            is simply factual.

            But as JKC endlessly points out, this a confusing based
            on second person
            plural and second person singular being the same word in
            English. In
            the south, they say "ya'll" for second person plural,
            and in New York
            they say "youse".  I suggest that one of these be used
            in discussing
            duplication thought experiments.


        Even if there is a duplication, the 1pov is still unique in
        both subject, and the question bears on this 1 pov. No need
        of youse...

        Quentin

        Seems to me the answer to the question where will youse find
        youse-self is "Washington and Moscow."


    It can't be because the 1 pov is unique in each subject and is in
    Washington or Moscow, not in both. The question is on that, not
    on the duplicated bodies.

    The pov gets duplicated with the bodies.


No there is two unique pov, one that sees Moscow, one that sees 
Washington, none that sees Washington and Moscow.

I didn't say there was.  I said */youse-self/* sees Moscow and 
Washington.  "Youse-self" is second person /plural/.

Brent

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