On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 2:16 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 24, 2019, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 1:01 PM Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au> >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 07:34:26PM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything >>> List wrote: >>> > >>> > On 8/24/2019 6:31 PM, Russell Standish wrote: >>> > > >>> > > That's not an apriori reason. Assuming you're in principle OK with >>> the >>> > > concept of a brain in a vat (which is a disembodied mind), then the >>> > > you too do not have an apriori reason for the existence of physical >>> > > things. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > I don't see that a brain in a vat counts as a disembodied mind. Do >>> you mean >>> > a brain that has no environment to perceive or act on? I would deny >>> that >>> > such an isolated brain instantiates a mind. On the other hand, if the >>> brain >>> > has sensors and actuators operating, say a Mars Rover, then it isn't >>> > disembodied. >>> > >>> > Brent >>> > >>> >>> Yes - I know your argument. In the BIV scenario, the environment could >>> be simulated. Basically Descartes' evil daemon (malin genie) >>> scenario. Nothing about the observed physics (bodies and whatnot) >>> exists in any fundamental sense. >>> >> >> Presumably the vat is a physical object that provides nutrients, power, >> etc to the BIV. That does not count as disembodied in my book. >> > > The mind is a pattern distinct from any of it's physical incarnations. > That does not imply that it can exist without some form of physical realization. Brains have mass, minds do not. > Brains have definite locations, minds do not. > Can you prove that? > Minds can exist in multiple locations at once, brains cannot. > Can you prove that? That is, show me a mind that is in several locations at once. > Minds can travel from one physical universe to another, or to locations > beyond the cosmological horizon receding at speeds greater than c, brains > cannot. > Is this supposed to mean anything other than that we can think about such things? Beside, what evidence do you have for the existence of other physical universes to which we can travel, even in thought? You seem to assume a lot of mythology here. Bruce -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLQZtdi8JCEyzGsHZzwrM97A-coWU-U3pn9R5BSr0_6Tyg%40mail.gmail.com.
