Le mer. 9 sept. 2020 à 09:46, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 5:29 PM Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Le mer. 9 sept. 2020 à 09:14, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> a >> écrit : >> >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:50 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/8/2020 10:51 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 14:56, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Be a dualist if you want to. But the closest continuer theory is a >>>>> convention designed to resolve questions of personal identity in cases of >>>>> personal duplication, absent a "soul". Arbitrary random selections are not >>>>> as satisfactory. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not a dualist. I think there is no metaphysical basis for >>>> continuity of identity, it is just a psychological construct. >>>> >>>> >>>> Realistically (sort of) in the duplication of Bruce there will be >>>> millions of errors in each copy. There would be no point in trying to make >>>> them any more accurate. That would certainly be good enough to fool his >>>> closest friends and family. So at the molecular level there will certainly >>>> be a unique closest continuer. But I can't see that it makes any >>>> difference. That's just as arbitrary as denominating the first one to open >>>> his door the REAL Bruce. >>>> >>> >>> >>> The importance of copying errors depends on the metric used to assess >>> closeness of continuation. If and when actual duplication becomes possible, >>> we can worry about the fine details of this. But if you think in terms of >>> AI, duplication might involve no more than running the same program on >>> multiple computers. Duplication errors are then eliminated. >>> >>> I think the point of taking more into account in terms of personal >>> identity than just psychological continuity is that psychological >>> continuity makes little sense when you are asleep, under anaesthesia, or >>> otherwise unconscious. Do you cease to be a person when unconscious? The >>> same person? Does your family recognize you then or not? Since we do not >>> doubt continuity of personal existence even though our bodies change >>> continuously at the molecular level, copying errors at that level are not >>> relevant for bodily continuity. Our memories and emotions change every bit >>> as much, if not more, on these time scales. So the metric to determine >>> continuity of personal identity is not clear cut. It is the sort of thing >>> that can be sorted out if and when we can actually duplicate persons and >>> their bodies. >>> >> >> The only thing for a person to take into account if she is the same >> person as yesterday, one second ago, one year ago.. is feeling she is and >> is the only true thing, what you're talking about could have meaning in a >> law court but nowhere else... it has nothing to do with personal identity. >> > > > Tell that to the parents grieving over their son who is in a coma > following an accident. > This has nothing to do with *personal* identity... personal identity is a first person concept... if you're not conscious (coma, dead, whatever) if there is no 'I' talking into your head, it has no meaning... now for law, inheritance and other persons acting towards you, it can have meaning, but it's not "personal identity" and for knowing if you're alive or not, you're the only source of truth about that... no one can tell you you're not what you think you are. Quentin > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLT3-n9drgjSvtCKsCAPEKkN%2BjRVtCemki2TijYyMJuJyg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAFxXSLT3-n9drgjSvtCKsCAPEKkN%2BjRVtCemki2TijYyMJuJyg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAq6kdRaEFdizmdR-Cij67U%3DVNknkM_UnxweKTvwFntnpQ%40mail.gmail.com.
