On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great > Program. One may ask, running on what? > I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) the observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of this thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome revisions/improvements): If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + 2 = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe computable physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those generated states to facts about these computable realities It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written by a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of a computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. Jason ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > > What was there before there was nothing? > > > I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, > there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of > numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define > all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a > result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation > > > But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, > number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. > The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any > sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has > several different meanings. > > > Hi Brent, > > You are right there are various senses of the word "exists". > > I dedicate a section specifically to this issue, and define three types, > or modes of existence: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com.
