Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We may chose to view your fellow compuationalist philosopher, Juergen Schmidhuber, viewing God (you know He doesn't like to be called that!) As being The Great Programmer. Yet, we primates are behaviorally motivated by rewards, so we would have to gain a material reason to act in common? On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 Bruno Marchal <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great Program. One may ask, running on what? I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) the observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of this thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome revisions/improvements): If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + 2 = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe computable physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those generated states to facts about these computable realities It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written by a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of a computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. Indeed :) Bruno Jason On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: What was there before there was nothing? I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has several different meanings. Hi Brent, You are right there are various senses of the word "exists". I dedicate a section specifically to this issue, and define three types, or modes of existence: https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/479151616.37904.1615428053598%40mail.yahoo.com.
