On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards > how can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? > We may chose to view your fellow compuationalist philosopher, Juergen > Schmidhuber, viewing God (you know He doesn't like to be called that!) As > being The Great Programmer. Yet, we primates are behaviorally motivated by > rewards, so we would have to gain a material reason to act in common? > I believe that a universal ethics, can follow from theories of personal identity. To me, the most sensible of which suggest universalism / open individualism: the idea that there is only one mind and we are all it. This converts self interest into a common interest for the good of all sentient beings. Jason ------------------------------ > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 Bruno Marchal < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 10 Mar 2021, at 14:08, Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 5:45 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > I kind of side with Canadian philosopher John Leslie, as well as British > astronomer, James Jeans on this question. Both Leslie and Jeans see the > cosmos as a Great Thought. I formalize their conjectures as a Great > Program. One may ask, running on what? > > > I agree that thought is in a sense, more fundamental (existing prior to) > the observed. Of course the next question is what explains the origin of > this thought? This is the answer I now tell myself (I welcome > revisions/improvements): > > If one accepts the independent existence of mathematical truths, like "2 + > 2 = 4" then, due to Turing universal equations, one must also accept truths > like "The 1,829,735th step of program #789 contains a bit string "01011101". > > We can keep going, and extend this to say, programs that describe > computable physical worlds, and relate the bit strings representing those > generated states to facts about these computable realities > > It therefore becomes a mathematically provable fact that "there exists a > universal equation that includes an encoding of this very e-mail, written > by a computational version of a person just like me, who exists as part of > a computed physical reality which looks just like our observable universe." > > So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist. > > > Indeed :) > > Bruno > > > > Jason > > > > ------------------------------ > On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 Jason Resch <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:37 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 3/9/2021 12:22 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 12:57 AM Kim Jones <kimjo...@ozemail.com.au> wrote: > > What was there before there was nothing? > > > I don't believe reality was ever a state of absolute nothingness. Rather, > there are things that exist necessarily: logical laws, truth, properties of > numbers, etc. Some of these truths and number relations concern and define > all computational histories, and the appearance of a physical reality is a > result of these computations creating consciousness observers. See: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#A_Story_of_Creation > > > But you're casually confounding different sense of "exist". Logical laws, > number, etc are derivative on language. They don't "exist" physically. > The logicians meaning of exist is just to satisfy a predicate. Any > sensible discussion of "exist"needs to start with recognizing it has > several different meanings. > > > Hi Brent, > > You are right there are various senses of the word "exists". > > I dedicate a section specifically to this issue, and define three types, > or modes of existence: > https://alwaysasking.com/why-does-anything-exist/#Three_Modes_of_Existence > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhz5QF90QwoJfbF-u76tuYr%2B61fY5%3D%2BbkhjLZMxxqrqEA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1268362286.989763.1615333541353%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg5zZT%2BnX2oWtTOobPBnx_C_vOLQ%3D7-6rsnOTm1VZX6BA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/9F2F39C5-B315-48BA-973C-0A6F83C94FC2%40ulb.ac.be?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/479151616.37904.1615428053598%40mail.yahoo.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/479151616.37904.1615428053598%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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