[Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be<mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>] "But the amplitude of probability is physically real: that is the whole point of quantum mechanics, not to mention arithmetic (with Mechanism)". [Philip Benjamin] That is indeed physics proper. One has to appreciate your methodical and systematic approach to this problem. It is commendable that, unlike the order of the day, you do not rely on the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad Verecundiam respect for "authority" of customs, institutions and I.Q.s, to strengthen your argument and provide an illusion of proof. However, probabilities are not necessarily possibilities. Amplitude of PROBABILITIES is no exception. A theory of reality is not REALITY itself. Numbers form 0 to infinity are syncategorematic nouns. Numbers of what? 2 + 2 = 4 is not a categorematic expression of REALITY unless the "of what" is specified. 2 electrons + 2 electrons = 4 electrons is a categorematic statement. The probability of a massive particle being (or even becoming) a massless wave is zero, nada, zilch. If my memory is correct even in a nuclear reaction (explosion, included), the total charge before and after a nuclear reaction is conserved; so also the total NUMBER of nucleons before and after a reaction are also the same. It is the binding energies that are released. As far as electrons in these PROBABILITES you cite are concerned, Bohr has already assigned them to "stationary orbits" (predetermined energy levels). Then where do the new "stationary orbits" of NEW REALITIES speculated in various "mathematical/statistical" theories originate? What kind of "chemistries" are available for these NEW REALITIES, such as Many Worlds etc. ? What is the nature of a Many World chemistry? Philip Benjamin
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 5:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat On 10 Apr 2021, at 16:47, Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> wrote: [Philip Benjamin] Wave equation? Of what? Wavy Particles? Or Wave-like Particles? Wavy particles is a paradox, a puzzle, a mystic mystery!! That is how a purely scientific theory such as Quantum Mechanics became so confounded with absurdities and speculations. Puzzle in, puzzle out!! There are and never can be wavicles, only particles that behave AS IF in wave forms. An AS IF Logic is all that is needed, not Both & Fallacy. The Schrodinger Cat was introduced only to show the absurdity of taking probability statistics seriously. Probabilities are not all possibilities. But the amplitude of probability is physically real: that is the whole point of quantum mechanics, not to mention arithmetic (with Mechanism). Some of these pioneers of QM were occultists, alcoholics and some other serious addictions. That is how the sorcerer-psychiatrist Carl Jung joined them. Worldviews determine scientific interpretations. Interpretations are not theories. CopenPagan Interpretation (a malaprop) is a pagan world-view, not scientific theory. That is how Albert Einstein strongly disagreed with Niels Bohr. Which suggest that Einstein would have preferred Everett to Bohr. It is sad that Einstein died in 1955. Everett published the "many-worlds" formulation of QM (QM without collapse) in 1957. Most cosmologists prefer Everett, as it is hard to imagine some being observing the whole universe to collapse it in some state. Note that Belifante does exactly that: he claims that the use of QM in coslmology requires an observer for the whole universe, and likes to call it God, admitting that such a god is only a wave collapse, but Everett, like Mechanism, illustrates that this move is not necessary. We need only 2+2=4 & Co. Bruno Philip Benjamin Saturday, April 10, 2021 6:22 AM everything-list@googlegroups.com<mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Mixed State vs Superposition of States for Schrodinger's cat On 9 Apr 2021, at 06:42, Alan Grayson <agrayson2...@gmail.com<mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: When the box is closed, and before the measurement, why can't it be claimed that the Cat is in a Mixed State, not a Superposition of States? Only the latter leads to the paradox of a cat which is Alive and Dead simultaneously. AG Because the Wave equation in this setting leads to a pure state dead+alive, and twe know that such pure state leads to different prediction than any possible corresponding mixed states. (Assuming the SWE). That's true even if the box is open, but in that case, the pure state will be lifted to the observer of the cat, who will become itself in a pure state of seeing the cat dead and the cat alive, in parallel histories. In this case, the indeterminacy is explained entirely by the same indeterminacy occurring in, amoeba self-division, or in the infinite multiplication of all relative universal number state in arithmetic. Bruno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/DM6PR11MB4691B5AC17A85CF90B0958ABA84E9%40DM6PR11MB4691.namprd11.prod.outlook.com.
