A bit long, but this interview of of the very lucid Hedda Mørch (pronounced "Mark") is very good:(for consciousness "realists"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilsMtCPHyw via https://twitter.com/onemorebrown/status/1386970910230523906 On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 8:38:32 AM UTC-5 Terren Suydam wrote: > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 7:22 AM John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:08 AM Terren Suydam <terren...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> *> consciousness is harder to work with than intelligence, because it's >>> harder to make progress.* >> >> >> It's not hard to make progress in consciousness research, it's >> impossible. >> > > So we should ignore experiments where you stimulate the brain and the > subject reports experiencing some kind of qualia, in a repeatable way. Why > doesn't that represent progress? Is it because you don't trust people's > reports? > > >> >> *> Facts that might slay your theory are much harder to come by.* >> >> >> Such facts are not hard to come by. they're impossible to come by. So >> for a consciousness scientist being lazy works just as well as being >> industrious, so consciousness research couldn't be any easier, just face a >> wall, sit on your hands, and contemplate your navel. >> > > There are fruitful lines of research happening. Research on patients > undergoing meditation, and psychedelic experiences, while in an FMRI has > lead to some interesting facts. You seem to think progress can only mean > being able to prove conclusively how consciousness works. Progress can mean > deepening our understanding of the relationship between the brain and the > mind. > > Terren > > >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> >> . >> >> >> . >> >> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3BkpBXW%3Dq-nX--Dss4ogXXACeswwCnkiwcaWu-un01cg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv3BkpBXW%3Dq-nX--Dss4ogXXACeswwCnkiwcaWu-un01cg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d963be0a-9393-4680-b77f-6f32011a44b0n%40googlegroups.com.
