What a tool you are... and you're seriously expecting people to read your
paper ? Learn humility and come back.
Le mar. 9 juil. 2024, 19:16, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit :
> @Jason. Omggg... I'm a genius. I studied everything. Computer science,
> physics, philosophy, economy, sociology, biology, you name it, lol.
> I use self-reference in the proper way. The reason people are confused is
> because of their own low IQ that even confuses them when it comes to tying
> their own shoes.
>
> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 19:27:15 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 11:50 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Jason. Recursion is not self-reference. If you would have read my paper
>>> you would have seen that.
>>>
>>
>> You alluded to a familiarity with computer programming. Have you studied
>> computer science?
>>
>> Is the classical way the Fibonacci sequence is defined not an example of
>> self-reference as you use the term? If it's not, then you are using
>> "self-reference" in a very non-standard that is sure to confuse a lot of
>> people, especially computer scientists.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 14:42:42 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 4:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lol ? By knowing that all AI does is to follow deterministic
>>>>> instructions such as
>>>>>
>>>>> if (color == white) {
>>>>> print ("Is day");
>>>>> } else {
>>>>> print ("Is night");
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This was an objection first made by Ada Lovelace. But Turing showed
>>>> that even deterministic processes can often surprise us, and behave in ways
>>>> that aren't predictable (without running the computation until it
>>>> finishes). E.g., does a machine halt or not?
>>>>
>>>> If I give you the program, can you tell me from looking at it what it
>>>> will do? You might think you can, but consider if I gave you a program that
>>>> looked for a counterexample to Goldbach's conjecture. If and when it finds
>>>> it, the program prints it and then halts. Does the machine given this
>>>> program halt or not?
>>>>
>>>> You might have an opinion, but if you can't prove it, then you really
>>>> don't know. So far no one has been able to prove it one way or the other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason involved. Just blindly following instructions. Do
>>>>> people that believe in the AI believe that computers are magical entities
>>>>> where fairies live and they sprout rainbows ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Turing machine and (computability generally) is built on the notion
>>>> of recursion. I.e. self-reference. If we are conscious due to
>>>> self-reference, then why shouldn't recursive computer programs be conscious
>>>> too?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 06:19:30 UTC+3 Terren Suydam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How has your understanding of computer programming helped you avoid
>>>>>> being victimized by AI hype?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 5:19 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List <
>>>>>> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People that are victims of the AI hype neither understand computer
>>>>>>> programming nor consciousness.
>>>>>>>
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