So you wrote a whole paragraph but it's unclear whether you are agreeing with me that consciousness is NOT just some mysterious byproduct of intelligence, but is an essential source of intelligent actions because it provides plans and evaluates planned actions and scenarios.

Brent

On 7/8/2024 7:28 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

    />I thought it was obvious that foresight requires consciousness.
    It requires the ability of think in terms of future scenarios/


The keyword in the above is "think". Foresight means using logic to predict, given current starting conditions, what the future will likely be, and determining how a change in the initial conditions will likely affect the future.  And to do any of that requires intelligence. Both Large Language Models and picture to video AI programs have demonstrated that they have foresight ; if you ask them what will happen if you cut the string holding down a helium balloon they will tell you it will flow away, but if you add that the instant string is cut an Olympic high jumper will make a grab for the dangling string they will tell you what will likely happen then too. So yes, foresight does imply consciousness because foresight demands intelligence and consciousness is the inevitable byproduct of intelligence.

    /> in which you are an actor/


Obviously any intelligence will have to take its own actions in account to determine what the likely future will be. After a LLM gives you an answer to a question, based on that answer I'll bet an AI  will be able to make a pretty good guess what your next question to it will be.

John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
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