On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:59 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 7/8/2024 11:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 10:29 AM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker <meekerbr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> *>I thought it was obvious that foresight requires consciousness. It >>> requires the ability of think in terms of future scenarios* >>> >> >> The keyword in the above is "think". Foresight means using logic to >> predict, given current starting conditions, what the future will likely be, >> and determining how a change in the initial conditions will likely >> affect the future. And to do any of that requires intelligence. Both Large >> Language Models and picture to video AI programs have demonstrated that >> they have foresight ; if you ask them what will happen if you cut the >> string holding down a helium balloon they will tell you it will flow away, >> but if you add that the instant string is cut an Olympic high jumper will >> make a grab for the dangling string they will tell you what will likely >> happen then too. So yes, foresight does imply consciousness because >> foresight demands intelligence and consciousness is the inevitable >> byproduct of intelligence. >> > > Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence. One can be conscious > without being intelligent, but one cannot be intelligent without being > conscious. > Someone with locked-in syndrome can do nothing, and can exhibit no > intelligent behavior. They have no measurable intelligence. Yet they are > conscious. You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the current > situation) in order to act intelligently. It is in having perceptions that > consciousness appears. So consciousness is not a byproduct of, but an > integral and necessary requirement for intelligent action. > > And not necessarily a high-level language based consiousness. Paramecia > act intelligently based on perception of chemical gradients. So one would > say they are conscious of said gradients. > Yes, I agree. Jason > Brent > > > Jason > > >> >> >>> *> in which you are an actor* >>> >> >> Obviously any intelligence will have to take its own actions in account >> to determine what the likely future will be. After a LLM gives you an >> answer to a question, based on that answer I'll bet an AI will be able to >> make a pretty good guess what your next question to it will be. >> >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> ods >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1rXGetCmp5R8Zpakx5YVHdkNJMn-OrwL7Z3-E9Aka73g%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1rXGetCmp5R8Zpakx5YVHdkNJMn-OrwL7Z3-E9Aka73g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUh%3D_HknXVnLpnd2fr6XkTbiDY0TU8hdqq%3DpPW5UfAwYUw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUh%3D_HknXVnLpnd2fr6XkTbiDY0TU8hdqq%3DpPW5UfAwYUw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8e3133ae-abcc-48fe-966f-96210858f33d%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8e3133ae-abcc-48fe-966f-96210858f33d%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhd9yd9o4c2d7HDabAuYWxhp%2BfiHHyFWzU72KQ5g0Ch%2BA%40mail.gmail.com.
