On 7/8/2024 1:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:04 PM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:12 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
wrote:
/>Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence./
I think you've got that backwards, intelligence is a prerequisite
of consciousness. And the possibility of intelligent ACTIONS is a
prerequisitefor Darwinian natural selection to have evolved it.
I disagree, but will explain below.
/> One can be conscious without being intelligent,/
Sure.
I define intelligence by something capable of intelligent action.
Intelligent action requires non random choice: choice informed by
information from the environment.
Having information about the environment (i.e. perceptions) is
consciousness. You cannot have perceptions without there being some
process or thing to perceive them.
Therefore perceptions (i.e. consciousness) is a requirement and
precondition of being able to perform intelligent actions.
I agree. And there for evolution can "see" consciousness, just like it
can see metabolism.
Brent
Jason
The Turing Test is not perfect, it has a lot of flaws, but it's
all we've got. If something passes the Turing Test then it's
intelligent and conscious, but if it fails the test then it may or
may not be intelligent and or conscious.
/You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the
current situation) in order to act intelligently. /
For intelligence to have evolved, and we know for a fact that it
has, younot only need to be able to perceive the environment you
also need to be able to manipulate it. That's why zebras didn't
evolve great intelligence, they have no hands, so a brilliant
zebra wouldn't have a great advantage over a dumb zebra, in fact
he'd probably be at a disadvantage because a big brain is a great
energy hog.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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