On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 8:49:17 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote:

How can you know they were identical sets of incident electrons, if they 
had no definite state. 

Brent


*You could ask the same question about the usual SG experiment. I suppose 
if the electrons*
*were obtained from the same source, there would be no reason for 
distinguishing them. AG *


On 11/4/2024 6:03 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: 
> When I started this thread, I gave an example of two experiments with 
> an SG apparatus, one situated horizontally and another at a 30 degree 
> angle from the horizontal. Since they produce different UP/DN states, 
> that is at different angles for identical sets of incident electrons, 
> I conjectured that this could only occur IF the electrons have no 
> preexisting states, and the resultant states were caused by the 
> measurement process. IOW, isn't this example sufficient to deny local 
> realism? AG 

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