On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 10:38:33 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:
On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 10:27:24 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 8:49:17 PM UTC-7 Brent Meeker wrote: How can you know they were identical sets of incident electrons, if they had no definite state. Brent *You could ask the same question about the usual SG experiment. I suppose if the electrons* *were obtained from the same source, there would be no reason for distinguishing them. AG * *Can't we assume the electrons which I think are identical, all have the same wf indicated at the* *beginning of this thread? What other wf could be assumed? AG * *On an unrelated issue, I recall your mention that wrt the S. Cat thought experiment, there is no* *operator which has Alive and Dead as eigenvalues. IMO, this implies that the S. Cat thought* *experiment just doesn't fit into any quantum thought experiment. I then realized that the P * *operator for momentum must have a real value for its eigenvalues since it's Hermitian, BUT* *how can a real value represent momentum, which is a vector? TY, AG* On 11/4/2024 6:03 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > When I started this thread, I gave an example of two experiments with > an SG apparatus, one situated horizontally and another at a 30 degree > angle from the horizontal. Since they produce different UP/DN states, > that is at different angles for identical sets of incident electrons, > I conjectured that this could only occur IF the electrons have no > preexisting states, and the resultant states were caused by the > measurement process. IOW, isn't this example sufficient to deny local > realism? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/92422fe2-4745-4b4e-9565-3c5a6cdfe772n%40googlegroups.com.
