@Terren. How can qualia have epistemological status when it exists ? Exists = ontologic. You seem very confused regarding the meaning of words.
Also, "most people" have IQ below 100. This is close to monkey-level. How is that a criteria on which to decide truth ? Also, define "energy"! Define "matter"! On Tuesday, 7 January 2025 at 17:48:01 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > In your theory, the quale has ontological status, ok. In physicalism (what > most people assume), qualia have epistemological status. IOW, qualia is a > form of information about something that exists independently of our > individual consciousness. > > In your theory, consciousness is the fundamental ontology. In physicalism, > matter & energy is the fundamental ontology. > > Deciding what is the fundamental ontology is a metaphysical decision. It's > an assumption or belief from which other things follow. But the truth of > what is the fundamental ontology cannot be proven. > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 5:00 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> @Terren. Yes. What do you mean by "thing" ? The chair that you see in >> front of you ? But that is just a quale in consciousness. So what do you >> mean by "thing" ? >> >> On Tuesday, 7 January 2025 at 02:28:05 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >> >>> 🙄 >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 7:19 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> @Terren. What thing ? >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, 7 January 2025 at 00:33:55 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would venture that the common sense notion of existence means that a >>>>> thing that exists has been instantiated. >>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/d0ad42e4-836f-47b2-9738-a045aa971470n%40googlegroups.com.
