AI! AI! AI! I masturbate AI! AI! AI! AI! On Sunday, 9 March 2025 at 07:51:14 UTC+2 Alan Grayson wrote:
> On Saturday, March 8, 2025 at 4:03:01 PM UTC-7 John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 5:27 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > *>> Recent events have proven that computer scientists have figured out > the relationship between mind and matter well enough to be able to turn > inert matter into a mind. Meanwhile Hindu gurus and Yoga adepts are doing > the exact same thing they've been doing for thousands of years, > contemplating their navels and making zero progress on understanding how > the world works. * > > > *> Contemplating one's navel is hugely harder to do than you think.* > > > *Playing the piano with your feet, even if it's only done very poorly, is > also extremely difficult, however like navel gazing it will not help you > one bit in understanding how the world works. * > > > *How would you know without trying to navel gaze, even for five minutes, > let alone for hours? You presumably believe in experiments, so try it and > report back. AG * > > > > *> As for AI, they've created a black box which can carry on a conversaton > as if it is conscious. But since you don't know what conscousness is, how > are in a position to judge? AG * > > > *I don't have a definition of consciousness but I have something better, > examples of it, the ability to engage in an intelligent conversation; when > one of my fellow human beings is able to do that I conclude that he is > conscious and when he is unable to do that, for example when he is sleeping > or undergoing anesthesia or dead, then I conclude that he is not conscious. > And I use the exact same method to judge the consciousness of an AI. * > * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > r > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/94bbf2a7-954b-454a-9653-b37af6ce70fcn%40googlegroups.com.
