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Le lun. 10 mars 2025, 15:03, Alan Grayson <[email protected]> a écrit :

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> On Monday, March 10, 2025 at 6:43:21 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
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> On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 2:28 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
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> *> without a definition of consciousness, I see no basis for claiming
> either is conscious.*
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>
> *I have 4 questions for you: *
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> *1) Why do you think definitions are better than examples? *
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> *2) Where do you think lexicographers obtained the knowledge they needed
> to write the definitions that are in their dictionaries? *
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> *3) Are definitions of words also made of words, and do those words in the
> definition also have definitions made of words, **and do those words in
> the definition of the definition of words also have definitions made of
> words, and ....?*
>
> *4) What is the definition of "definition"? *
>    *John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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> Maybe "definitions" is the wrong way to look at the problem. It's really
> the unsolved mind-body problem. How does chemistry give rise to
> consciousness?
>

Information processing.

If you can't explain that, you can't say that AI is conscious.
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Information processing as us,just different substratum.

Maybe you can't even assert that any of us are conscious. AG
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