On Sunday, March 9, 2025 at 12:17:21 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 9:42 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *>> Thanks to very recent developments I now know of two ways consciousness can come to exist:* *1) Through random mutation and natural selection, which produces intelligence, which produces consciousness, although that process is very slow.* *2) Consciousness can also be achieved through the administrations of computer scientists, but unlike Evolution this way is exponentially fast. * *> What's been done is to create a computer (HW and SW)* *IHA.* *You claim to be conscious but can't figure out that HW and SW refer to HardWare and SoftWare? AG * *> which can mimic human speech and arguments so well, that you can't distinguish it from entities you believe are conscious* *Yes, but you are also "mimicking" human speech, you mimicked how to do it by watching and listening to adults when you were a child.* *> what's called AI, passes the Turing Test. AG* *Yep, but I might add that modern AI's can pass the Turing Test with a considerably higher score than you can, so if they are not conscious then I would have to conclude that you are not either. ** I really wish you would answer a question that I posed in my last post: * *Is it really of fundamental cosmic importance that one of you has a brain that is wet and squishy while the other has a brain that is dry and hard? * *Is this the question you want me to answer? If so, without a definition of consciousness, I see no basis for claiming either is conscious. Without a definition, it's impossible to say what we're talking about. Why don't you ask your favorite AI what the White Light is, and what the Clear Light of the Void is? Or what consciousness is? Or if it thinks it's conscious? AG* *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5ca6bfef-479b-4f7c-b9f7-42df72c9f046n%40googlegroups.com.
