On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 10:03 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
*> Maybe "definitions" is the wrong way to look at the problem. It's really > the unsolved mind-body problem. How does chemistry give rise to > consciousness? * *Regarding that I have five points. * *1) In 1936 Alan Turing showed us how inert matter can produce intelligent behavior. * *2) Natural selection can see intelligent behavior but it can't see consciousness.* *3) Evolution produced me and I know with absolute certainty that I am conscious. I strongly suspect you are too. * *4) An iterative sequence of "how does" questions either goes on forever or ends in a brute fact, that is to say a fact that cannot be explained by something deeper or more fundamental. * *5) There are only two possibilities, either the sequence of questions goes on forever or it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels when it is being processed intelligently. The evolutionary argument strongly suggests that the second explanation is far more likely. * *> If you can't explain that, you can't say that AI is conscious. Maybe you > can't even assert that any of us are conscious. AG * *Exactly! And I don't believe anybody this side of a loony bin really believes that solipsism is true. * *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* tis > > *I have 4 questions for you: * > > *1) Why do you think definitions are better than examples? * > > *2) Where do you think lexicographers obtained the knowledge they needed > to write the definitions that are in their dictionaries? * > > *3) Are definitions of words also made of words, and do those words in the > definition also have definitions made of words, **and do those words in > the definition of the definition of words also have definitions made of > words, and ....?* > > *4) What is the definition of "definition"? * > > > d4w > > - > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1YG0zX3b3yDBfHO9CMShDE%2BKhs%3DgVDFVbAkjS7te4RUQ%40mail.gmail.com.
