Try job hunting in the UK.. not easy, though our market is definately not as saturated as yours. There's just no jobs, and the ones there are are paying nothing for good certs and experience. :(
-----Original Message----- From: mwhitton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:47 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: For Kevin Miller Try job hunting in the Houston area.... :( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Beckett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > Point > > -----Original Message----- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:20 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > I thought you were talking about HP??? ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 15:33 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Yep, you'll have some highly skilled people taking those 40K jobs > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lefkovics [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:34 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Wait til HP lays off the 10-15,000. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:21 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He's right, that is the market today. Which, if you are an > IT > individual > really sucks. I have talked with recruiters and they > salaries > overall > are down 25%. I don't think the market will really ever pick > back up > to > the point that it was. It is now too flooded with IT > wannabes with > dollar signs in their eyes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Zorz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:11 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Not that I've seen. Right now, they want certs, and > they > want > experience, and they want to pay as little as > possible. And > they'll be > able to find that person. I've talked to a couple > of > recruiters > who are > seeing resumes from IT folks formerly making > $70-$80k > applying > for $40k > jobs. DHL announced they were opening an IT center > out > here, > and > supposedly got about 5 thousand resumes for about 50 > positions. > Yesterday I heard from someone that had over 700 > resumes for > a > position. > Some company that is apparently doing a very large > w2k > migration > has > been rejecting experienced NT4-w2k migration people > with > certs > because > they hadn't worked on "large enough" migrations. > > Someday, the economy will come back, and all the > underpaid > folks > will > jump to better paying jobs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Snook, Kevin S (ITD) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:38 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Do hiring people still talk about the "T" shape > candidate. > This > doesn't > refer to their physical shape although I guess it > might. It > refers to > the fact that mostly recruiters want a guy with a > broad > experience of > different technologies with in-depth knowledge of > one or > maybe > two > technologies. > > Just wundrin' coz it was all the rage when I left > college > (but > that was > some time ago now!). > > Kevin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beckett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 06 June 2002 14:35 > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > Definitely agree on the market plays a factor, no > question...but > overall > a kid coming out of school expecting to make that > amount is > a > bit > ridiculous > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Carpenter > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 9:25 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > Earlier someone mentioned a story about a > kid saying > that 60-90K > was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was > naive. > Although > I do > agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ > thoughts > these > days, > instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think > that > 60-90K > is all > that high either. It all depends on your market, > experience, > and > abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a > job that > paid 3 > times what I make here, simply due to market > differences. > Keep > in mind > that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex > border > though...jk > -----Original Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 > AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller > > > He was an IBM Global Services guy > and knew > Cobol > like he > wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay > anyone who > could > write > code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's > and CTO's > make > the > $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the > medical care > they > need to > have after having the lobotomy and spine removal > surgeries. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, > 2002 9:56 > PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For Kevin > Miller > > > Well, where are these high > paying > jobs > at. > I'm > underpaid! I want some of that "cheese"! :o) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 5:08 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > > Like I said. I've > seen > contracts > for > a > whole > hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest > I've seen > was > $525 an > hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then > 150hr x > hours x 52 > weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits > and taxes > = > $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No > offense to > Don > or anyone > else. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Mal Sasalu > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 4:53 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > > I am not cheap. I > wasn't > talking > about > Don's > worth. I was talking about your authority to hire > him or > somebody like > him. > > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:41 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > > You're cheap. [1] > [2] > > [1] Chorus: But not > easy! > [2] For someone like > Don, > who I > KNOW > has > the > experience $150 an hour would be a bargain. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 3:58 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > Something wrong with > charging > $150 > an > hour? > That's my usual going rate... :o) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Mal Sasalu > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 3:40 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > Then you must be > having > authority to > pay > $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will > be > charging > :-) > -----Original > Message----- > From: Schwartz, Jim > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:10 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > And those of us with > hiring > authority do > make it a practice to look into these lists and > decide who > is an > idiot, > who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to > fix > broke > a$$ sh!t. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:42 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > I have a great sense > of > humour > provided > someone works for a cert instead of this cramming > crap, > taking a > test, > and calling yourself certified. Too many paper > MCSE's out > there > and > those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole > in the > ground. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Bunting, Jeff > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:39 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > someone leave their > sense of > humor > at > home > today? > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:29 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > You can keep > thinking > that... > Just > pray > you > never apply for a job that I'm hiring for. > Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS > and then > some > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original > Message----- > From: Matthew > Carpenter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 2:11 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > It never matters HOW > you get > certified, > as > long as you ARE certified. Sheesh > -----Original > Message----- > From: Ely, Don > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 12:56 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > We, unlike you, > didn't/don't > use > CRAM > sites. > We actually use real world knowledge that we've > learned over > the > years... > -----Original > Message----- > From: Precht, David > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 1:58 > PM > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > what cram site did > you guys > use > ;) ? > -----Original > Message----- > From: Paul Green > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, > June 05, > 2002 > 13:09 > To: MS-Exchange > Admin Issues > Subject: RE: For > Kevin > Miller > I got him certified > in > UCC+WCA. > -----Original > Message----- > From: Matthew > Carpenter > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Posted At: > Wednesday, June > 05, > 2002 > 10:08 AM > Posted To: Exchange > 2000 > Server > Conversation: For > Kevin > Miller > Subject: For Kevin > Miller > Would you mind > enlightening > us > on > what > all > that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at > the > "certified" > world, or are those real? I can not find anything on > them in > Google. 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