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I think he is being naïve because he hasn’t even finished school and already dreaming of the big bucks. With the market they way it is, they’re people out there who are killing themselves to land a job. In the IT market, unless you have a lot of experience or you are just god you aren’t going to land that kind of salary. 60-90k a year is a lot of money. If he comes out the gate and lands something for 30- 35k a year, that’s plenty of money for a kid coming out of school with no experience.

 

It goes back to the paper cert. it’s meaning less unless you have some experience. To sum it up, my point is this. Everyone in this industry has to pay their dues. At some point in their career they are going to have be whored out. Then comes the true test. Do you do this for the money or because you like what you do? The best admins I have ever met, did it because they loved what they did. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t have high expectations or goals to achieve, but from what I’ve seen of what he knows, he has a long way to go.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:25 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

 

Earlier someone mentioned a story about a kid saying that 60-90K was too low for OCPs, and he thought the kid was naive. Although I do agree that many kids go in with much higher $$ thoughts these days, instead of the love of protocols (JK), I don't think that 60-90K is all that high either. It all depends on your market, experience, and abilities. Market is a huge factor. I was offered a job that paid 3 times what I make here, simply due to market differences. Keep in mind that I make about $4.25/hour here on the Tex-Mex border though...jk

-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:20 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

He was an IBM Global Services guy and knew Cobol like he wrote the language. During Y2K, they would pay anyone who could write code some serious cake. The reason that the CIO's and CTO's make the $300k - $600k kind of money is due to all the medical care they need to have after having the lobotomy and spine removal surgeries.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

Well, where are these high paying jobs at.  I'm underpaid!  I want some of that "cheese"!  :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 5:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

Like I said. I've seen contracts for a whole hell of a lot more than that. I think the largest I've seen was $525 an hour plus expenses. If you were talking salary then 150hr x hours x 52 weeks = $312,000.00. Add in about 45% for benefits and taxes = $452,400.00 in salary costs. Not worth that. No offense to Don or anyone else.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 4:53 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

I am not cheap. I wasn't talking about Don's worth. I was talking about your authority to hire him or somebody like him.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:41 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

 

You're cheap. [1] [2]

 

[1] Chorus: But not easy!

[2] For someone like Don, who I KNOW has the experience $150 an hour would be a bargain.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:58 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

Something wrong with charging $150 an hour?  That's my usual going rate...  :o)

-----Original Message-----
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 3:40 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

Then you must be having authority to pay $150/hour as well. That's what Kevin said, he will be charging J

-----Original Message-----
From: Schwartz, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:10 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

And those of us with hiring authority do make it a practice to look into these lists and decide who is an idiot, who is new and trying to learn and who knows how to fix broke a$$ sh!t.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:42 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

I have a great sense of humour provided someone works for a cert instead of this cramming crap, taking a test, and calling yourself certified.  Too many paper MCSE's out there and those paper MCSE's don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bunting, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:39 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

someone leave their sense of humor at home today?

-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:29 PM
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Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

You can keep thinking that...  Just pray you never apply for a job that I'm hiring for.

Don Ely - NMBOTWBAS and then some
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-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:11 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

It never matters HOW you get certified, as long as you ARE certified. Sheesh

-----Original Message-----
From: Ely, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:56 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

We, unlike you, didn't/don't use CRAM sites.  We actually use real world knowledge that we've learned over the years...

-----Original Message-----
From: Precht, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

what cram site did you guys use ;) ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 13:09
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For Kevin Miller

I got him certified in UCC+WCA.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Carpenter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:08 AM
Posted To: Exchange 2000 Server
Conversation: For Kevin Miller
Subject: For Kevin Miller

Would you mind enlightening us on what all that crap is after your name? Is that just a jab at the "certified" world, or are those real? I can not find anything on them in Google. (I had 2 minutes to spare to look)

TIA

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