That's not the point. I understand that ESX isn't supported yet. If they were running unsupported and the suspicion was that it was VMWare, they should have said go V2P and leave it there. Not "switch to our product". A support call shouldn't be a sales opportunity.
-----Original Message----- From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware But officer, I don't understand why you think I broke the law. I know that the stop sign was there and I ignored it because I hear the city council is considering removing it. I don't understand why you are giving me a ticket because I broke clearly established rules that are going to change at some indeterminate point in the future ... maybe. Also, you might want to read the virtualization guidelines to ensure you at least are running somewhat close to recommendations. Steven On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not a solution, Just a worthless answer. > > By the same logic, if CRM isn't working, maybe Salesforce would! J > > > > > > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:18 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > > > True - it's not a certification. But they did join, which wasn't public > info until this week...but according to the article Steve mentioned, the > SVVP program is just as good, from the application standpoint, as Hyper-V. > > I'm still surprised that any PSS engineer thought it was a good idea to tell > you to "try Hyper-V" as a solution... > > > --James > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I don't think VMware has been certified yet. > > It's in the program though which is great news. > > > > From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange (Sunbelt) > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:16 AM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > > > > Seen this? > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006 > > > > > > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:00 AM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > > > Well, specific to VMWare and Microsoft...the certification for Server (OS > only) was inked this week. There certainly isn't one for CRM yet. > > But I would scream very loudly for my TAM to here, if that happened with any > of our apps. Most customer-facing folks at Microsoft are understanding that > Hyper-V is still basically beta software, when compared to VMWare. But no > one else at Microsoft wants to admit that, it seems. > > > --James > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Larry, > > Sorry about the digression.. must be a Friday thing :-).. as James > said I'd look at your storage requirements primarily.. unless you have > explicit HA requirements .... > > James.. that was a premier agreement also with the customer .. maybe > the "good" news hasn't filtered thru.. for me it's just a bit > vernacular :-) > > Cheers, > Mylo > > On 8/23/08, James Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The answer is, it depends. I would certainly want ESX Enterprise >> features (mostly for HA). Mailbox roles of any kind - be careful on >> storage requirements. It could get tricky identifying bottlenecks if >> you are pushing your storage throughput limits, for example. >> >> Certainly don't take snapshots of DB or Log disks :) >> >> --James >> >> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Anyone have any info on my original question?? :) >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Aug 22, 2008 4:00 PM >> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware >> > >> > If you have a Premier agreement, then that should change. VMWare is >> > now supported as a platform for Windows Server (it wasn't as of last >> > week). I would expect those trends to start to reverse somewhat, or >> > Microsoft will start to get itself into trouble... >> > >> > --James >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/22/08, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> VMWare.. oh.. what a life :-) >> >> >> >> Just had a call with Microsoft support today concerning CRM 4.0... >> >> whilst you may be scratching your head thinking what bearing this may >> >> have on Exchange, the gravitas towards Hyper-V (at least in a support >> >> sense) is a tad annoying.. I am an advocate of virtualization >> >> particularly in certain spheres.. in Exchange terms that relates to >> >> the web tier (CAS / ActiveSync et al) so I was mildly put out with the >> >> response I had today ..... VMWare, I recognize, has been historically >> >> a "best effort" approach for support from Microsoft.... .. V2P has >> >> been a requisite in the past for Microsoft support for VMWare users to >> >> demonstrably prove that the problem didn't lie in the virtual layer. >> >> Today, we were asked today to move our test platforms to Hyper-V, to >> >> prove that the problems did not relate to VMWare... for the most part >> >> this is either a cop-out or at least a form of nepotism ... anyone >> >> else had similar experiences? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mylo >> >> >> >> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> My bad, you are correct. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Miller Bonnie L. >> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 1:15 PM >> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sounds like you have 2950s then, not 2850s? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:13 PM >> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> They are quad core E5430, 32GB RAM. They were purchased as a package >> > with >> >>> the VMware software, should not be any issue with supporting 64bit. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Larry >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 12:25 PM >> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> What kind of processor does the 2850 have? It needs to have >> >>> virtualization >> >>> support for installing a 64bit guest on ESX. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:31 AM >> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> >>> Subject: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Just thought I'd stir up the pot on the Exchange on VMware >> > discussion >> >>> again. One of my projects for this year is to migrate to Exchange 07 >> > from >> >>> 03. We currently have about 600 mailboxes residing on a single >> > server, >> >>> single site. I purchased a Dell 2850 for this earlier this year. I >> > also >> >>> installed VMWare ESX 3.5 earlier this year with a couple of Dell >> > 2850's. >> >>> Now I'm thinking about using the server I have for Exchange, making >> > it >> >>> another VMware server and then installing Exchange 07 on VMware. I'm >> > just >> >>> looking for your thoughts (wisdom) from those that have been using it >> > that >> >>> way on how it is working out. Also, that way would it make sense to >> > break >> >>> out a separate vm for hub transport? We also have a BES server that >> > I >> >>> could >> >>> put on the same vnic to limit that traffic. 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