We don't know that they didn't say HyperV or Physical either. And since when has a support call anywhere not been an excuse for a sales opportunity for someone? :)
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not the point. I understand that ESX isn't supported yet. > If they were running unsupported and the suspicion was that it was VMWare, > they should have said go V2P and leave it there. Not "switch to our > product". A support call shouldn't be a sales opportunity. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:45 PM > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > But officer, I don't understand why you think I broke the law. I know > that the stop sign was there and I ignored it because I hear the city > council is considering removing it. I don't understand why you are > giving me a ticket because I broke clearly established rules that are > going to change at some indeterminate point in the future ... maybe. > > Also, you might want to read the virtualization guidelines to ensure > you at least are running somewhat close to recommendations. > > Steven > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Martin Blackstone > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That's not a solution, Just a worthless answer. >> >> By the same logic, if CRM isn't working, maybe Salesforce would! J >> >> >> >> >> >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:18 AM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >> >> >> True - it's not a certification. But they did join, which wasn't public >> info until this week...but according to the article Steve mentioned, the >> SVVP program is just as good, from the application standpoint, as Hyper-V. >> >> I'm still surprised that any PSS engineer thought it was a good idea to > tell >> you to "try Hyper-V" as a solution... >> >> >> --James >> >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> I don't think VMware has been certified yet. >> >> It's in the program though which is great news. >> >> >> >> From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange > (Sunbelt) >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:16 AM >> >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> >> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >> >> >> Seen this? >> >> >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006 >> >> >> >> >> >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:00 AM >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware >> >> >> >> Well, specific to VMWare and Microsoft...the certification for Server (OS >> only) was inked this week. There certainly isn't one for CRM yet. >> >> But I would scream very loudly for my TAM to here, if that happened with > any >> of our apps. Most customer-facing folks at Microsoft are understanding > that >> Hyper-V is still basically beta software, when compared to VMWare. But no >> one else at Microsoft wants to admit that, it seems. >> >> >> --James >> >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Larry, >> >> Sorry about the digression.. must be a Friday thing :-).. as James >> said I'd look at your storage requirements primarily.. unless you have >> explicit HA requirements .... >> >> James.. that was a premier agreement also with the customer .. maybe >> the "good" news hasn't filtered thru.. for me it's just a bit >> vernacular :-) >> >> Cheers, >> Mylo >> >> On 8/23/08, James Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The answer is, it depends. I would certainly want ESX Enterprise >>> features (mostly for HA). Mailbox roles of any kind - be careful on >>> storage requirements. It could get tricky identifying bottlenecks if >>> you are pushing your storage throughput limits, for example. >>> >>> Certainly don't take snapshots of DB or Log disks :) >>> >>> --James >>> >>> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > Anyone have any info on my original question?? :) >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > Sent: Aug 22, 2008 4:00 PM >>> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware >>> > >>> > If you have a Premier agreement, then that should change. VMWare is >>> > now supported as a platform for Windows Server (it wasn't as of last >>> > week). I would expect those trends to start to reverse somewhat, or >>> > Microsoft will start to get itself into trouble... >>> > >>> > --James >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 8/22/08, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >> Folks, >>> >> >>> >> VMWare.. oh.. what a life :-) >>> >> >>> >> Just had a call with Microsoft support today concerning CRM 4.0... >>> >> whilst you may be scratching your head thinking what bearing this may >>> >> have on Exchange, the gravitas towards Hyper-V (at least in a support >>> >> sense) is a tad annoying.. I am an advocate of virtualization >>> >> particularly in certain spheres.. in Exchange terms that relates to >>> >> the web tier (CAS / ActiveSync et al) so I was mildly put out with the >>> >> response I had today ..... VMWare, I recognize, has been historically >>> >> a "best effort" approach for support from Microsoft.... .. V2P has >>> >> been a requisite in the past for Microsoft support for VMWare users to >>> >> demonstrably prove that the problem didn't lie in the virtual layer. >>> >> Today, we were asked today to move our test platforms to Hyper-V, to >>> >> prove that the problems did not relate to VMWare... for the most part >>> >> this is either a cop-out or at least a form of nepotism ... anyone >>> >> else had similar experiences? >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Mylo >>> >> >>> >> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My bad, you are correct. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Miller Bonnie L. >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 1:15 PM >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sounds like you have 2950s then, not 2850s? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:13 PM >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> They are quad core E5430, 32GB RAM. They were purchased as a package >>> > with >>> >>> the VMware software, should not be any issue with supporting 64bit. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 12:25 PM >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What kind of processor does the 2850 have? It needs to have >>> >>> virtualization >>> >>> support for installing a 64bit guest on ESX. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:31 AM >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues >>> >>> Subject: Exchange 07 on VMware >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Just thought I'd stir up the pot on the Exchange on VMware >>> > discussion >>> >>> again. One of my projects for this year is to migrate to Exchange 07 >>> > from >>> >>> 03. We currently have about 600 mailboxes residing on a single >>> > server, >>> >>> single site. I purchased a Dell 2850 for this earlier this year. I >>> > also >>> >>> installed VMWare ESX 3.5 earlier this year with a couple of Dell >>> > 2850's. >>> >>> Now I'm thinking about using the server I have for Exchange, making >>> > it >>> >>> another VMware server and then installing Exchange 07 on VMware. I'm >>> > just >>> >>> looking for your thoughts (wisdom) from those that have been using it >>> > that >>> >>> way on how it is working out. Also, that way would it make sense to >>> > break >>> >>> out a separate vm for hub transport? We also have a BES server that >>> > I >>> >>> could >>> >>> put on the same vnic to limit that traffic. 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