Thanks for the update James. Cheers, Mylo
On 8/28/08, James Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For anyone interested, I just saw this KB referenced: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/ > > It appears to support the complaint on this thread about duplicating > problems on "Hyper-V or physical". > > Key section: > > "As part of the investigation, Microsoft may still require the issue to be > reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization > software. Where issues are confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft > hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a > manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not > running together with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. " > > --James > > > On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We don't know that they didn't say HyperV or Physical either. > > > > And since when has a support call anywhere not been an excuse for a > > sales opportunity for someone? :) > > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Martin Blackstone > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That's not the point. I understand that ESX isn't supported yet. > > > If they were running unsupported and the suspicion was that it was > VMWare, > > > they should have said go V2P and leave it there. Not "switch to our > > > product". A support call shouldn't be a sales opportunity. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:45 PM > > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > > > > > But officer, I don't understand why you think I broke the law. I know > > > that the stop sign was there and I ignored it because I hear the city > > > council is considering removing it. I don't understand why you are > > > giving me a ticket because I broke clearly established rules that are > > > going to change at some indeterminate point in the future ... maybe. > > > > > > Also, you might want to read the virtualization guidelines to ensure > > > you at least are running somewhat close to recommendations. > > > > > > Steven > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Martin Blackstone > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> That's not a solution, Just a worthless answer. > > >> > > >> By the same logic, if CRM isn't working, maybe Salesforce would! J > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:18 AM > > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> True - it's not a certification. But they did join, which wasn't > public > > >> info until this week...but according to the article Steve mentioned, > the > > >> SVVP program is just as good, from the application standpoint, as > Hyper-V. > > >> > > >> I'm still surprised that any PSS engineer thought it was a good idea to > > > tell > > >> you to "try Hyper-V" as a solution... > > >> > > >> > > >> --James > > >> > > >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Martin Blackstone > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I don't think VMware has been certified yet. > > >> > > >> It's in the program though which is great news. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange > > > (Sunbelt) > > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:16 AM > > >> > > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >> > > >> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Seen this? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:00 AM > > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Well, specific to VMWare and Microsoft...the certification for Server > (OS > > >> only) was inked this week. There certainly isn't one for CRM yet. > > >> > > >> But I would scream very loudly for my TAM to here, if that happened > with > > > any > > >> of our apps. Most customer-facing folks at Microsoft are understanding > > > that > > >> Hyper-V is still basically beta software, when compared to VMWare. But > no > > >> one else at Microsoft wants to admit that, it seems. > > >> > > >> > > >> --James > > >> > > >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> Larry, > > >> > > >> Sorry about the digression.. must be a Friday thing :-).. as James > > >> said I'd look at your storage requirements primarily.. unless you have > > >> explicit HA requirements .... > > >> > > >> James.. that was a premier agreement also with the customer .. maybe > > >> the "good" news hasn't filtered thru.. for me it's just a bit > > >> vernacular :-) > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Mylo > > >> > > >> On 8/23/08, James Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> The answer is, it depends. I would certainly want ESX Enterprise > > >>> features (mostly for HA). Mailbox roles of any kind - be careful on > > >>> storage requirements. It could get tricky identifying bottlenecks if > > >>> you are pushing your storage throughput limits, for example. > > >>> > > >>> Certainly don't take snapshots of DB or Log disks :) > > >>> > > >>> --James > > >>> > > >>> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > Anyone have any info on my original question?? :) > > >>> > > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > > >>> > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > Sent: Aug 22, 2008 4:00 PM > > >>> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >>> > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >>> > > > >>> > If you have a Premier agreement, then that should change. VMWare is > > >>> > now supported as a platform for Windows Server (it wasn't as of last > > >>> > week). I would expect those trends to start to reverse somewhat, or > > >>> > Microsoft will start to get itself into trouble... > > >>> > > > >>> > --James > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 8/22/08, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> >> Folks, > > >>> >> > > >>> >> VMWare.. oh.. what a life :-) > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Just had a call with Microsoft support today concerning CRM 4.0... > > >>> >> whilst you may be scratching your head thinking what bearing this > may > > >>> >> have on Exchange, the gravitas towards Hyper-V (at least in a > support > > >>> >> sense) is a tad annoying.. I am an advocate of virtualization > > >>> >> particularly in certain spheres.. in Exchange terms that relates to > > >>> >> the web tier (CAS / ActiveSync et al) so I was mildly put out with > the > > >>> >> response I had today ..... VMWare, I recognize, has been > historically > > >>> >> a "best effort" approach for support from Microsoft.... .. V2P has > > >>> >> been a requisite in the past for Microsoft support for VMWare users > to > > >>> >> demonstrably prove that the problem didn't lie in the virtual > layer. > > >>> >> Today, we were asked today to move our test platforms to Hyper-V, > to > > >>> >> prove that the problems did not relate to VMWare... for the most > part > > >>> >> this is either a cop-out or at least a form of nepotism ... anyone > > >>> >> else had similar experiences? > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Cheers, > > >>> >> Mylo > > >>> >> > > >>> >> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> My bad, you are correct. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> From: Miller Bonnie L. > > >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 1:15 PM > > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Sounds like you have 2950s then, not 2850s? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:13 PM > > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> They are quad core E5430, 32GB RAM. They were purchased as a > package > > >>> > with > > >>> >>> the VMware software, should not be any issue with supporting > 64bit. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Larry > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 12:25 PM > > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> What kind of processor does the 2850 have? It needs to have > > >>> >>> virtualization > > >>> >>> support for installing a 64bit guest on ESX. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:31 AM > > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > >>> >>> Subject: Exchange 07 on VMware > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Just thought I'd stir up the pot on the Exchange on VMware > > >>> > discussion > > >>> >>> again. One of my projects for this year is to migrate to Exchange > 07 > > >>> > from > > >>> >>> 03. We currently have about 600 mailboxes residing on a single > > >>> > server, > > >>> >>> single site. I purchased a Dell 2850 for this earlier this year. > I > > >>> > also > > >>> >>> installed VMWare ESX 3.5 earlier this year with a couple of Dell > > >>> > 2850's. > > >>> >>> Now I'm thinking about using the server I have for Exchange, > making > > >>> > it > > >>> >>> another VMware server and then installing Exchange 07 on VMware. > I'm > > >>> > just > > >>> >>> looking for your thoughts (wisdom) from those that have been using > it > > >>> > that > > >>> >>> way on how it is working out. Also, that way would it make sense > to > > >>> > break > > >>> >>> out a separate vm for hub transport? We also have a BES server > that > > >>> > I > > >>> >>> could > > >>> >>> put on the same vnic to limit that traffic. 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