For anyone interested, I just saw this KB referenced: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/
It appears to support the complaint on this thread about duplicating problems on "Hyper-V or physical". Key section: "As part of the investigation, Microsoft may still require the issue to be reproduced independently from the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. Where issues are confirmed to be unrelated to the non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software, Microsoft will support its software in a manner that is consistent with support provided when that software is not running together with non-Microsoft hardware virtualization software. " --James On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We don't know that they didn't say HyperV or Physical either. > > And since when has a support call anywhere not been an excuse for a > sales opportunity for someone? :) > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Martin Blackstone > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's not the point. I understand that ESX isn't supported yet. > > If they were running unsupported and the suspicion was that it was > VMWare, > > they should have said go V2P and leave it there. Not "switch to our > > product". A support call shouldn't be a sales opportunity. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 5:45 PM > > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > > > > But officer, I don't understand why you think I broke the law. I know > > that the stop sign was there and I ignored it because I hear the city > > council is considering removing it. I don't understand why you are > > giving me a ticket because I broke clearly established rules that are > > going to change at some indeterminate point in the future ... maybe. > > > > Also, you might want to read the virtualization guidelines to ensure > > you at least are running somewhat close to recommendations. > > > > Steven > > > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Martin Blackstone > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's not a solution, Just a worthless answer. > >> > >> By the same logic, if CRM isn't working, maybe Salesforce would! J > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:18 AM > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > >> > >> > >> > >> True - it's not a certification. But they did join, which wasn't public > >> info until this week...but according to the article Steve mentioned, the > >> SVVP program is just as good, from the application standpoint, as > Hyper-V. > >> > >> I'm still surprised that any PSS engineer thought it was a good idea to > > tell > >> you to "try Hyper-V" as a solution... > >> > >> > >> --James > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Martin Blackstone < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I don't think VMware has been certified yet. > >> > >> It's in the program though which is great news. > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Exchange > > (Sunbelt) > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:16 AM > >> > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >> > >> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > >> > >> > >> > >> Seen this? > >> > >> > >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957006 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:00 AM > >> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > >> > >> > >> > >> Well, specific to VMWare and Microsoft...the certification for Server > (OS > >> only) was inked this week. There certainly isn't one for CRM yet. > >> > >> But I would scream very loudly for my TAM to here, if that happened with > > any > >> of our apps. Most customer-facing folks at Microsoft are understanding > > that > >> Hyper-V is still basically beta software, when compared to VMWare. But > no > >> one else at Microsoft wants to admit that, it seems. > >> > >> > >> --James > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Larry, > >> > >> Sorry about the digression.. must be a Friday thing :-).. as James > >> said I'd look at your storage requirements primarily.. unless you have > >> explicit HA requirements .... > >> > >> James.. that was a premier agreement also with the customer .. maybe > >> the "good" news hasn't filtered thru.. for me it's just a bit > >> vernacular :-) > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Mylo > >> > >> On 8/23/08, James Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> The answer is, it depends. I would certainly want ESX Enterprise > >>> features (mostly for HA). Mailbox roles of any kind - be careful on > >>> storage requirements. It could get tricky identifying bottlenecks if > >>> you are pushing your storage throughput limits, for example. > >>> > >>> Certainly don't take snapshots of DB or Log disks :) > >>> > >>> --James > >>> > >>> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > Anyone have any info on my original question?? :) > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: James Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > Sent: Aug 22, 2008 4:00 PM > >>> > To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >>> > Subject: Re: Exchange 07 on VMware > >>> > > >>> > If you have a Premier agreement, then that should change. VMWare is > >>> > now supported as a platform for Windows Server (it wasn't as of last > >>> > week). I would expect those trends to start to reverse somewhat, or > >>> > Microsoft will start to get itself into trouble... > >>> > > >>> > --James > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 8/22/08, Damian Myles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> >> Folks, > >>> >> > >>> >> VMWare.. oh.. what a life :-) > >>> >> > >>> >> Just had a call with Microsoft support today concerning CRM 4.0... > >>> >> whilst you may be scratching your head thinking what bearing this > may > >>> >> have on Exchange, the gravitas towards Hyper-V (at least in a > support > >>> >> sense) is a tad annoying.. I am an advocate of virtualization > >>> >> particularly in certain spheres.. in Exchange terms that relates to > >>> >> the web tier (CAS / ActiveSync et al) so I was mildly put out with > the > >>> >> response I had today ..... VMWare, I recognize, has been > historically > >>> >> a "best effort" approach for support from Microsoft.... .. V2P has > >>> >> been a requisite in the past for Microsoft support for VMWare users > to > >>> >> demonstrably prove that the problem didn't lie in the virtual layer. > >>> >> Today, we were asked today to move our test platforms to Hyper-V, > to > >>> >> prove that the problems did not relate to VMWare... for the most > part > >>> >> this is either a cop-out or at least a form of nepotism ... anyone > >>> >> else had similar experiences? > >>> >> > >>> >> Cheers, > >>> >> Mylo > >>> >> > >>> >> On 8/22/08, TechInfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> My bad, you are correct. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> From: Miller Bonnie L. > >>> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 1:15 PM > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Sounds like you have 2950s then, not 2850s? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:13 PM > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> They are quad core E5430, 32GB RAM. They were purchased as a > package > >>> > with > >>> >>> the VMware software, should not be any issue with supporting 64bit. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Larry > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> >>> Sent: Aug 22, 2008 12:25 PM > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >>> >>> Subject: RE: Exchange 07 on VMware > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> What kind of processor does the 2850 have? It needs to have > >>> >>> virtualization > >>> >>> support for installing a 64bit guest on ESX. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> From: TechInfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:31 AM > >>> >>> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues > >>> >>> Subject: Exchange 07 on VMware > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Just thought I'd stir up the pot on the Exchange on VMware > >>> > discussion > >>> >>> again. One of my projects for this year is to migrate to Exchange > 07 > >>> > from > >>> >>> 03. We currently have about 600 mailboxes residing on a single > >>> > server, > >>> >>> single site. I purchased a Dell 2850 for this earlier this year. > I > >>> > also > >>> >>> installed VMWare ESX 3.5 earlier this year with a couple of Dell > >>> > 2850's. > >>> >>> Now I'm thinking about using the server I have for Exchange, making > >>> > it > >>> >>> another VMware server and then installing Exchange 07 on VMware. > I'm > >>> > just > >>> >>> looking for your thoughts (wisdom) from those that have been using > it > >>> > that > >>> >>> way on how it is working out. Also, that way would it make sense > to > >>> > break > >>> >>> out a separate vm for hub transport? We also have a BES server > that > >>> > I > >>> >>> could > >>> >>> put on the same vnic to limit that traffic. 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