R>You could include a shell script with every distro called R>"run-this-for-a-total-geek-system.sh", make it remove X, KDE and all GUI R>stuff and install the latest version of vim (so they have all the R>features available, wouldn't want even one left out, it has to do You got that backwards. Should be a run-this-newbies-who-want-to-waste-space-with-X-things.sh. I don't claim to be an expert, but if you want fancy GUI stuff, you should have stayed with Windows. People use Linux because they want:1) Power 2) Flexibility 3) Speed (not necessarily in that order) Sure, X isn't all bad, but it prevents learning of the "real" os, Slows the system, and takes away a lot of the Flexibility. X, IMO, should be thought of as a "toy" or a "treat for Fridays" if you seriously want to use Linux to its full capacity. Someone made a comparison of Vi to the dos Edlin. Although I have only used Vi a few times, it didn't seem near as bad as Edlin. Once I _tried_ to use Edlin to create a simple text file, but soon realized that I would be better off just doing "copy con>>file.txt". R>Pico has been around for as long as I can remember (more than 20 years), R>probably as long as vi. I doubt it's very big. At least it shows the R>commands (like the important EXIT one).... Pico can only be downloaded with Pine, correct? I don't have anything against Pico, in fact, Pico is actually my editor of choice. Someone also mentioned that Vi(m) is the only editor that acts right remotely, that's not true. I use Pico several times a week from M$ Telnet on Windoze boxes. It acts perfectly fine through a telnet connection, although the telnet prog its self is lacking some. R>Mandrake, it's not cool to do this to your new "converts" / customers, R>please change the default editor, thanks. No "newbie" or even a "oldbie" The "new 'converts' / customers" should learn basic console navigation such as editors before ever even getting a distro. R>like me is going to use a command line editor for much else than a R>emergency quick one line edit, been there, done that back in 1978 and R>don't want to go back. If someone does want to live in the past, let R>them change it. I don't think that the default editor should be changed. It should be chosen at instillation. It might be viable to default Pico with basic installs, but the option given in custom/server installs on what to make default. Using Vi(m) doesn't mean that your living in the past, it simply means you know what your doing and like it that way. I say that if someone does want to live in a bloated "future", let _them_ change it and add all the X apps they want. Just thought I would contribute to the conv. and add my opinions, Jason Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
