I guess that's why I use it. I want to get some serious work done. There is no problem here. If you don't want to use it then don't. The point might be that linux isn't yet ready for the average Mac or MS user, yet. While you don't have to know all the commands, you can in a few minutes of reading you can know the main ones you will use. Over time you learn more. One of the great things about linux is that there are many different ways to do any task. Each of us can choose to do them as we wish. Even the Mac has a learning curve to it. Years of experience in one OS doesn't mean that you don't start out as a newbie on a new OS. I gave my two cents worth, I'm now done with this thread. We won't change your opinion, and you won't change anyone elses. Hey, that's OK, it's why we all like Linux. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mallard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:41 AM Subject: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT? > Ron Marriage wrote: > > > > if you want to use the power and the > > potential that comes with linux, then you have to get out > > to the console and learn how to use the professional > > editors that everyone else will be working with. > Power? The power to waste my life away with silly commands I will forget > next week if I don't use them every day? > > > > Frankly I'm a bit surprised that such a debate even exists > > on this list. While I could see it occuring on the newbie > > list for those that intend to exist entirely in their X > > desktop, In the experts list I'd only expect to see such > > differences between the Vi and Emacs editor crowd. <LOL> > > </2 cents> > > And why do you think all so called computer experts that can program in > several languages including machine code, design hardware (read > circuitboards), and also machine tools and assemblies (as in vertical > mill) are "newbies" because they don't want to waste their life away > learning geek tools from 1978? > > Been there, done that on a teletype. I know you think I should have used > punch cards and sent my batch processes off to a "big" room size > computer and wait a week for a response, but we grew up out of that > period - JUST LIKE NOW! > > I want to get some work done, not go backwards. Are you still living in > 1978 or do you use a GUI? > >