It seems everyone has put their 2 cents in so why not me? <2 cents> While my favorite editor is emacs, I have to say that anyone that considers themselves an expert owes it to themselves to learn vi(m). There are times when only it will do the job, partly because it might be the only editor available but because it is always included in every dist. or UNIX. Think of it as a basic skill that has to be learned. If you live your life entirely in a GUI then you never have to think about it, but if you want to use the power and the potential that comes with linux, then you have to get out to the console and learn how to use the professional editors that everyone else will be working with. This is the "Experts" list and anyone here might prefer to use pico on a regular basis, but that doesn't mean they will not have use of vi(m), and they should begin learning it to be ready for the day they move into the heady relm of expert in linux. Frankly I'm a bit surprised that such a debate even exists on this list. While I could see it occuring on the newbie list for those that intend to exist entirely in their X desktop, In the experts list I'd only expect to see such differences between the Vi and Emacs editor crowd. <LOL> </2 cents> Ron -- ==== Ron Marriage E-Mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage http://www.seidata.com/~marriage