On Son, 2002-04-07 at 21:14, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 13:46 -0500, Paul Cox wrote:
> > On Sunday, Apr 07, 2002, sda wrote:
> > NOT providing free and easy access to the _current_ .iso is about the
> > biggest violation you can make to the GPL.  
> 
> Not exactly. Who can demand Mandrake to provide ISOs at all? Nobody. Does
> SuSE provide iso files even BEFORE the boxed verion is in the stores?
> That is one thing nobody seems to take in account. All I read in the
> newsgroup is "8.2 is out. What takes Mandrake so long to bring the boxes
> into my home town?" If MandrakeSoft did not provide the ISOs as soon as
> they are ready those ppl did not even know there was a new version.
> That's like the other big distros handle it.
> 
> The GPL does NOT say you have to put out ISOs of your product ASAP. The
> GPL doesn't even say you have to put ISOs on the net at all. All the GPL
> says is that if you have a product you can make it public and if you make
> it public it has to be free and you have to provide a means for the
> public to get the sources. 

You are certainly right in terms of GPL. But I don't agree that mdk will
fail because it makes ISOs accessible through the net (too early). I
myself have been downloading the ISOs starting with 8.0, when I changed
from SuSE. The reason for changing was exactly that: why should I pay
for a badly set up distribution when I can have others, far more better
ones for free? SuSE (like many others) goes the way to sell their distro
the "standard" way. 

But buying SuSE too often meant & means that you pay 100 bucks for
something that sucks. I like the Mandrake-style, making it possible to
test the entire distro without paying anything for it - thats fun for me
and risk for them of course. I am aware that compiling a distro is not
free and I will eventually even buy a whole set, but certainly not every
time. If I could not download the ISOs anymore, I would just wait for
one or two years or so till I bought another release and update just the
most vital applications.

So I think the Mandrake-Club is a nice thing to create some kind of
relationsship between guys like me and a commercial organization like
mandrake.

> 
> > And changing to a different
> > license will go against everything MandrakeSoft stands for and will
> > never happen.
> 
> That is true and will never happen as loing as MandrakeSoft exists. They
> could not even if they would like to. All they can do is withdraw their
> own programs and put them under a different license. And that would be
> the end of a Mandrake Linux Distribution.
> 
> Just my 180,00 Euro (Sorry, but that's what my opinion costs on the
> market! You get it for free (as in 'free beer'))
> 
> wobo
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