I wish you people would quit cluttering my mailbox with all this crap. There are other lists where this would be appropriate.
"Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote .. > first of all... repeat after me. "FRANKI IS NOT AN AMERICAN" :-) > > I'm an Aussie... > > Second.. the US must be spending what ?? 5-10 millian a day at the very > least, probably a good deal more, putting all that military might around > iraq... and its been going on for a very long time... > > That sort of money would take along time to get recompensed by iraq oil, > particularly since the US would still have to pay for it anyway, and would > have no direct control over it... as with Kuwait.... > > Yes... presidents have looked the other way many times in the past.. maybe > its time to stop that??? > > Tibet is a good example to me is Tibet.. the chinese have all but totally > crushed the wonderous culture of that country.. but in the 50's no one > lifted a damn finger to stop them.. and thats not just the US.. thats > everybody.. > > History is full of that as well.. maybe its time to stick up for the > underdogs and try and make the whole world a democracy in some form or > another.... > > I actually agree with the observation made earlier that Germany has a much > more business like government then most other countries.. and I agree that > from an economical perspective,, thats a really good thing.. from a > military perspective, its a bad thing, because the people that don't know > all the facts, can overrule the ones that do.. > > but overall I wish australia was run the same way... in Australia, our > politicial parties spend all their time attacking each others policies > instead of promoting the merits of their own policies .. > > If I had two wishes for the perfect democracy.. I would ask that a law > be > put in place where political parties MUST NOT attack their opposition at > ever step and must instead promote the benefits of their own party and > policies instead of relying on attaching everyone elses.. > The other wish would be that issues of a military nature should be discussed > by a commitee of the smartest people in the country, not the most popular.. > intellegence and knowledge should be the prerequsite to being on that > commitee... The very smartest minds in the country... regardless of their > industry or occupation. > > And that commitee should have the ability to veto the head of state in > issues of a military nature, and must have the ability to propose and act > on > actions decided upon by the commitee.. > > That way, the best minds are the ones making the important decisions, not > politicians.. > > rgds > > Franki > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alfredo C. López > Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 12:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow? > > > Hi! > > I'm a guy living in Argentina, far away from the bullets. > > El Mié 29 Ene 2003 10:23, Franki escribió: > > You didn't address the issue of what to do about saddam without > fighting... > > (assuming he is guilty.) > > > > what are the alternatives.??? > > There are always alternatives..... May be leave the iraquies alone.... > Like a lot of US presidents did with Latin American in the past. > It's known that in the past there were here a lot of Military presidents > that > didn't respect human rights and the us presidents never took action against > them. > More to say.... in Chile with President Alende... US was involve in the > killing of Alende trough this guy called Kissinger. And it was a president > voted by the people. And US supported the military president that come > after > that. Almost the same happend here in Argentina and Brasil. > So... Please excuse me if I dont believe in your president. I don't trust > anymore in a president that have to hide "evidence" in the behave of the > people. Here in Argentina we suffer the doctrine of "national security" > (of > course... with the support of the US). > So... to me.... the only explanation to the action taken by Bush > administration is about oil and money. Nothing else..... there no comunist > to > fight this time. > > > > > > I am not saying i believe or disbelieve, I am saying that we don't know > > enough as civilians to make the distinction... > > That is very sad to hear. And coming from an american, is very > disappointing. > I think that the civilians need to know.... so they can control what rule > you. > My two cents..... > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Franki > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2003 8:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] OT Will there be a tomorrow? > > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 20:15 +0800, Franki wrote: > > > Once hitler was in charge.. there was nothing even remotely like > > > democracy... > > > anyone that disagreed with him was locked up or killed.. many his own > > > generals were terrified of him.. and most of the general german army > had > > > > no > > > > > real idea what was going on or why they were fighting.. > > > That doesn't sound much like what is going on in the US at the moment.. > > > > You are right with this. I did not compare the situation in the USA of > > today with the situation in Germany in the 30ies. I just compared Mr. > > Bush's speech with the speeches of Hitler and Goering in 1939. > > > > > everyone keeps saying "War is not the way" > > > > Correct. "War is commencing policy by different means." This quote > > (can't remember who said that) doesn't apply any more in modern times. > > Back when this quote was made war took place in the field. > > > > There were soldiers whose profession it was to go to war. They were > > called "warriors". Was the girl killed in 9/11 or the man in the > > streets of Oklahoma or the tourist in Djerba or on Bali, were they > > warriors? NO. > > > > War has changed to something NOBODY can controll any more. All those > > brave soldiers with their fine toys and their "Yes, Sir - No, Sir!" > > mentality, they are just a part of war. If Saddam has to fight a > > military action of the USA we all will be not warriors but potential > > victims of that war. No matter how military actions proceed in Iraq, > > there will always be enough terrorists ready to "revenge" whatever > > they claim to be to revenge. > > > > > I'd like someone to give us an alternative for getting rid of saddam.. > > > > does > > > > > anyone have one? > > > Sanctions didn't work against him... just starved his people and made > the > > > west look like assholes (because saddam tells the people that the west > > > are the reason they are starving). > > > > > > He has been doing the same stuff since 91 and none of the UN stuff > has > > > worked worth a damn.. > > > > > > So what is this "alternative" so many speak of?? bribe him to leave?? > > > assasinate him?? what?? lets hear the alternatives. > > > One last thing, If there is nothing to what the US has been saying... > > > then the UN would not be putting the pressure on iraq that they are > > > now... so there must be something to it... > > > > The UN - looks like USA regards themselves not a member any more. All > > I hear is "We want this and UN wants that!". The community of world's > > people - nothing else is the UN! - has a board of directors if you may > > say so, it has no CEO! Maybe Mr. Bush does not know this... > > > > The UN does what the people want from them - they put pressure on > > Saddam to find out what's going on to then decide for action. The UN > > is not shy to start military actions - read the resolutions of former > > conflicts. > > > > > Also, if the US do know stuff we don't.. its possible they can't say > > > > because > > > > > they have probably been trying to put spy's over there since 91.. if > it > > > comes to a choise between revealing all, getting their spy's killed > and > > > losing their data... what would you do??? > > > > There is a point where all this has come into the open. There was a > > long time now that Mr. Bush states that the US have evidence. Time > > enough to clear out and cut all strings which could endanger someone > > who is involved in gathering this evidence. > > > > Furthermore there is noone demanding to see the evidence in public. No > > need to show them on CNN. > > > > There is always the option to show the evidence just to the members of > > the Security Council and there's no reason to distrust those people > > more than the average CIA guy. If those guys of the SC tell the world: > > "OK, we have seen proof that Saddam has those weapons. We'll sign a > > resolution to fight him." Then my little world is in order again. I'd > > still be scared shitless, though. I'm also living in a city and work > > in an institution and building which is on the top list of potential > > targets (Frankfurt, Germany, German Federal Bank). > > > > > To put it simply, we MUSTN'T judge Bush, because we have no idea what > he > > > knows.. and what he doesn't. its possible that if you knew what he > did, > > > > you > > > > > would be campaining for war also. Thats not to say that I agree with > him, > > > > I > > > > > am simply not in a position to judge.. > > > > As long as Mr. Bush is the leader of a nation which is a part of a > > community he has to obide by the rules. In this serious issue there is > > no "Trust me, I know what I'm doing." > > > > wobo > > -- > ================================================================= > Lic. 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