--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't feed the troll. Don't take mantra knowledge from a troll. Enough said. > > You would have to be both deaf and blind to not know bij mantras growing > up in India. :) > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Richard, > > > > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > > > > I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute their > > power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing into shir-ing, > > Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc
In Sanskrit, 'y' as in English 'yes', represents, I believe, (almost?) always an older i-sound. In Vedic recitation, words like 'suurya' (sun), are often pronounced like 'suuria'. Actually, I seem to recall that 'suuryaH' is *always* pronounced like 'suuriaH'(~soo-ree-a[k]ha), but am not absolutely sure about that. I think the pronunciation depends on the requirements of the metre (meter)in question. In Classical Sanskrit, it is, "of course", pronounced like 'soor-ya(k)ha'! Thus it seems that 'she-am' (shiaama) would represent an older pronunciation, if that word is old enough to appear in the saMhitaa-s, and stuff. Have no idea whether that makes that word more or less powerful... > > He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima > > (Pronounced i-ing, i-ing-ah, i-im, and i-eem-ah respectively) was > > he short on mantras, or what? > > > > Again as I said before, Southern pronunciation is slightly > > different, they pronounce the `ii' in a bija as the `ee' in the word > > feet etc,they also tend to use only the anusvara `M' ending,where > > the lips are closed pushing the sound up the nasal passages. It > > sounds more like the `mb' ending in the word Numb! > > > > In the North the `ii' is pronounced more like the `i' in the words > > ring, bring, fling, etc > > Some Northerners use the anusvara `M' ending, but more use the > > allegedly more powerful `ng' ending known as anunAsika,- personally I > > think the anusvara `M' ending is more powerful and grounding in the > > long term. > > > > The late Harish Johari tended to pronounce the bijas with `ng' > > endings combined with the `ee' sound as against the `i' sound giving > > shreeng, hreeng, kreeng, etc > > > > Bottom line no matter what way the bijas are pronounced they are all > > Tantric. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" > > <willytex@> wrote: > > > >> Bhairitu wrote: > >> > >>> The short bij mantra bobs up and down. > >>> > >>> > >> There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't > >> give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, > >> the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with > >> various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't > >> a tantric yogi in the Nath tradition, therefore he > >> would not be knowing any actual bija mantras. The tantric > >> bija mantras are enumerated in the Buddhist Tantras. > >> There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda, in the > >> Upahishads, or in the Puranas. There are no canonical > >> collections of bija mantras in Hinduism. The Buddhist > >> bija mantras all originated with the Nath Siddhas when > >> India was a Buddhist country. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
