> Yes, that seems what Jon Hagelin in TMmovement-Jihad-eese-speak does 
> constantly push and MMY as the spiritual leader argues too and they 
> are scientists.


Oh the surety of youth, how charming...wait a second, that dude is
even older than me!  I guess I mean that I used to think that way in
the surety of my own, long lost, youth!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> <--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > But I am sad > to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of 
> >modern
> > science > because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are
> > fascist states > born.
> > 
> > What are you talking about?  Do you think that my lack desire to do 
> >TM
> > means that I am rejecting science?  
> Do you believe that the research
> into the benifits of TM means that everyone should do it?  
> > 
> >
> 
> Yes, that seems what Jon Hagelin in TMmovement-Jihad-eese-speak does 
> constantly push and MMY as the spiritual leader argues too and they 
> are scientists. Seems that this is the weight of the logical 
> conclusion of the science. That the research
> into the benifits of TM means that everyone should do it.
> 
> To quote another radical intellectual leader of TM-jihad, "The 21st 
> century will be about research published in resepected peer-
> reviewed scientific journals.
> Get used to it."  
> 
> Is where the battleground of spiritual warfare has gone to now.
> 
> "Extensive published research shows that coherence and positivity is
> created in collective consciousness when a small number of people
> practice the Transcendental Meditation and more advanced Yogic Flying
> techniques together in a group-"
> 
> "The Invincible America Assembly is raising the quality of collective
> consciousness and behavior throughout society to be more harmonious,
> more life supporting. And Nature is responding more positively."
> 
> End of story
> 
> Yes, & evidently means that everyone should do it in one form or 
> another for many good reasons.
> 
> -Doug in FF
> 
> Hagelin's current TMmovement thoughts Published in
> the Fairfield Daily Ledger:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/157620
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <no_reply@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I spent a month with David OJ studying the collected papers.  
> Some
> > > > published research is better than others.  One critical context 
> to
> > > > evaluate about research is what conclusions are being drawn from
> > > > the studies.  This is an area were even some good movement 
> studies
> > > > fall down IMO.  In other words, it is possible to do a good 
> study on
> > > > improvements on a  rod and frame test. It is another thing to
> > > > extrapolate that this means that mediators have a more stable 
> > > internal
> > > >  state of reference. 
> > > > 
> > > > Although I share your enthusiasm for the scientific method as a 
> tool
> > > > to expand knowledge, I don't forget that it is always humans 
> using
> > > > this tool.  It is never practiced in purity.  The TM studies 
> are not
> > > > all on one level of reliability, published or not.  David went 
> into 
> > > a
> > > > lot of detail about which tests were more rigorous than others.
> > > > Getting published is only one aspect in  evaluating the 
> credibility 
> > > of
> > > > scientific research.  >>>
> > > 
> > > That is fairly common in science, and that is why the rigor 
> aspect 
> > > needs to be constantly refined, and a lot of the TM research was 
> > > found be more robust than most studies in any science. But I am 
> sad 
> > > to hear you say that you are throwing out ALL of modern science 
> > > because it doesn't suit your opinion. On that idea are fascist 
> states 
> > > born.
> > > 
> > > I won't go down that road. 
> > > THE ONLY (I stress, THE ONLY) way for people to agree on things 
> in 
> > > the world are through study and replication under validated 
> > > conditions. A LOT of the most important research on TM is robust, 
> and 
> > > only anti-science freaks bring up the argument that if 1 in 10 of 
> > > them is not strong, then they are, by default , ALL of them 
> weak.  
> > > That is the way of the Neocons and I am appalled to see so many 
> > > people here on FFL, like Boo, Ru, Poo, Lurk, Turq, Smirk, Jurk, 
> Curt, 
> > > and Burt, all acting EXACTLY like the Neocons when something in 
> > > science does not suit their opinion.
> > > 
> > > I am appalled.
> > > 
> > > OffWorld
> > >
> >
>


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