Don’t forget Schrődinger
saying that the world looks to him like a great thought rather than a great
machine.
----- Original Message ----
From: off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 7:25:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Same Grandfathers of Physics Speak
Out.......was/The Grandfathers of Physic
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj <vajranatha@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:45 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > Vaj...they are saying religion "no", consciousness "yes".
>
> The question really wasn't about "religion" per se Off, but
instead
> about religious questions (in the parlance of that day). Today we
> might phrase it "spiritual questions".> >
Yes, 'mysticism' and the like, which, as any TM'r knows has nothing
to do with 'consciousness' or Sir Roger Penrose's "quantum
consciousness" But you never learned TM so you would not know that.
>
> And no, they are not saying "consciousness yes". In fact none of
your
> quotes are even from the aforementioned physicists!> >
You need to read it again.
There was a specific quote from Max Planck, which
stated: "Consiousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative
of consciousness" .
Planck is huge, and you are backed into a corner now Vaj, so you just
shut the quote out of your mind. You cannot get around Planck. There
was also a description of Erwin Schrödinger's theory from a
legitimate source. You also have Bernard D'Espagnat quoted from the
Scientific American, and finally renound neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield
was quoted. In addition, you cannot get around Penrose and
his "quantum consciousness"
You chose to ignore those quotes because you know they refute your
posts.
OffWorld
>
> If you still believe so, please post their equation for this
> "consciousness" you mention.
>
> >
> > "Erwin Schrödinger was among the first to point out that many of
the
> > unique characteristics of living organisms are consequences of the
> > microscopic origins of life and quantum mechanical roots within
the
> > DNA — among these characteristics, the phenomenon of
> > consciousness. "(1)
> >
> > "Max Plank - regarded as one of the greatest minds of the 20th
> > century regarded, quote: "Consiousness as fundamental. I regard
> > matter as derivative of consciousness" .(1)
> >
> > French Physicist Bernard D'Espagnat: "The doctrine that the world
is
> > made up of objects whose existence is independent of human
> > consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics
and
> > with the facts established by experiment"( 2)
> >
> > In an essay entitled "The Materialist Superstition" , AI technology
> > guru George Gilder writes "the usual materialist assumption is
that
> > the brain, the hardware, comes first and mind somehow emerges from
> > it."
> > He then quotes neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield's conclusion after
he'd
> > conducted extensive research of the brain: "I, like other
scientists,
> > have struggled to prove that the brain accounts for the mind."
> > http://csmweb2. emcweb.com/ durable/2001/ 06/28/p14s1. htm
> >
> > References:
> > (1) Klien, D.B., 1984, 'The Concept of Consiousness: A Survey',
> > Lincoln University of Nebraska press, (adjacent to title page).
> > (2)'The Quantum Theory and Reality', D.'Espagnat, B., Scientific
> > American, 1979, 241(5, p. 158).
>
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