--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Michael wrote: > > >> Let them decide that, is all I'm saying. > > > > I am all for that, but ITS NOT MY DECISION. > > Why not? Couldn't you have said something? > > > I'm not in charge. > > Couldn't you have spoken up anyway?
To whom? I was in a crowd from where you couldn't even move. I didn't get in close proximity of any movement official. They had an area of there own, with chairs, ribbons etc, opposite of where I was amongst Indians. I'm not a movement person, have no dome badge, I'm a complete outsider. (but for you its probably just another rationalization) > Or did you agree with the > treatment those women were getting? I'm not sure you are aware of the situation: Do you think that I eye-witnessed the occassion? I just much later realized that there were no women. There were only Hindi speaking policemen all around, or Indians, it was just a pushing and shoveling from beginning to end. The story that was told I read here. > Or were you just following > orders, so to speak? Which orders? I followed the crowd, trying to stay in all the time. > > I just said that many, actually most women I know wouldn't even > > have tried it, > > But apparently *these* women did. Do you even read your own emails, > Michael? No, I write them ;-) But I don't really see the contradiction between my statement and yours. That these women did it, is great, but IMO MOST movement women, especially Mother Divines, wouldn't really even want to be in such a crowd. > > nor would there have been many western men either. (The Purushas > > were aready sitting up there) > > How did they get there--magic carpet? Presumably either they walked > or used some kind of powered vehicle to get there, the same way the > women could have. Obviously they went there before everybody else - the Rajas and Purushas were not in the procession. Where this was leading up to, and who already was waiting there, I only realized after we (the crowd) had settled there, in a tight position, half kneeling sitting, half standing. > All I'm saying is, don't rationalize or tacitly condone bad > behavior, as you seem to be doing. Thanks for the advice. But to me this whole rant of you simply sounds a bit too absolutist, looking from the top so to say, at a situation you have obviously no idea about. (which is okay in itself, how could you.) Again, I was glad to be allowed there myself, no being sent away by police or movement people, being able to get as close as I could get to the event. I could not have talked to police-men, as they were not speaking English. Neither could I speak to any movement people until after the whole thing was over, as they were on the opposite site, closed off by ribbons, sitting on chairs. Nor would they even have listened to me , a stranger, and outsider, who was inside a movement building last 20 years ago. So I didn't take this to be an issue, as it would have been vain. I simply observed. Thats all. I was in witnessing mode. Who am I to tell the movement people what they should do? Its not my movement anymore. I have a different master, who is btw. female, a REAL Mother Divine. Maybe by the same token I should have spoken to all the muslim women in India, to remove their hijab, but then again, I don't speak their language, and they would be embarrased if a foreign man speaks to them, and they would feel this to be an intrusion into their religion, part of the white man showing his superiority in matters moral and ethic to the rest of the world.
