--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, blusc0ut <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> I am not speaking of noisiness. In TM it was embedded
> in a cycle. and it was much shorter. I also did not
> call it PC per se, I was rather responding to Judy
> calling her experience transcending, and then going
> on to pick up her mantra. I had the same, just sit
> down and whoop!, but as I said, there is no way to
> pick up the mantra in that state, or even continue a
> cycle of meditation.
I'm mystified as to why you're still getting this
wrong. Both Lawson and I have corrected you on it.
I *never* said what you describe. Here's what I said:
"When I close my eyes before starting to meditate, I
immediately begin to transcend, in the sense that
thoughts become more subtle ('Do you feel some
quietness, some silence?')."
For some reason you keep missing the "in the sense
that" part and mistakenly assume I meant I experienced
TC-by-itself the moment I closed my eyes.
No "sit down and whoop!" about it. TC-by-itself occurs
for me only *after* picking up the mantra. *Of course*
one can't pick up the mantra in TC-by-itself.
You and I even had a long discussion of the two senses
in which "transcend" is used in TM: to refer to the
process of transcending (increasingly subtle thoughts/
mantra), or to the end point of the process (TC-by-
itself, no thoughts/no mantra), depending on the
context. To make it clear that I meant the first and
not the second, I added "in the sense that thoughts
become more subtle."
I had thought by this time you understood, but clearly
that's not the case. I don't know what else I can say
to help you get it straight.
But please do not claim again that I said I experience
TC-by-itself when I close my eyes and then pick up the
mantra while I'm in that state. I did not and would not
say that. The first would be false, the second
impossible.
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> Basically my position is that of an observer. I
> could stand up,and walk around, but I would have to
> force myself. On other occasions it just struck me
> out of the blue, while walking around in a city, in
> busy bazar-like lanes.
But this is some form of *witnessing*, PC in activity,
not TC-by-itself in meditation. Different phenomena.
> > How is it that you remember less silence now?
>
> It seems to me now, that the transcendence experience
> in TM was more partial, usually didn't last that long.
You do realize that *your* experience of transcendence
in TM does not define that of everyone else, right?
Some TMers describe *very* clear experiences that can
last for some time (e.g., Tom, in a post just the other
day).
On the face of it, it isn't at all impossible that you
simply didn't reach that depth and clarity and length
of time of transcending when you were practicing TM.
But that doesn't mean, as you keep claiming, that TM
*cannot* lead to such experience. Maybe if you'd stuck
with it for longer, you would have had clearer/deeper/
longer transcending, as you have now. I don't think
you can rule out that possibility.
