--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > Good advice but he can´t. > > For him, Rick, Curtis, Barry et al. it´s in their blood. > > Their fear of someone actually having achieved enlightenment, > > not to mention the status of an Avatar is total. > > > > It´s probably their biggest paranoia in life to one day wake > > up to be confronted with the simple fact that they wasted > > their time while others became free. > > I was surprised to see you include Rick in that list Nabby. > I mean the guy created a massive project devoted to giving > a voice to people who claim to have achieved a higher state.
"Claim" being the operative word. :-) > As far as I go (I'll bet Barry will speak for himself) I > don't see any evidence that anyone is becoming "free". I wasn't going to bother to comment because, after all, it's Nabby. Who cares what someone who believes that Sri Sri Con Man Sai Baba is an avatar because of what Sri Sri Even Bigger Con Man Benjamin Creme told him says? :-) But for the fun of it, I still believe that a state that fits *some* of the classic descriptions of enlightenment exists, and consider it possible that some in history have "achieved" it. Big whoop. If either Maharishi or Rama were enlightened, I don't want it. Far from being "free," I consider both of them among the most bound and attached human beings I've ever met. I've met cabbies and bellhops and hookers who were more free. And more honest. The thing is, I don't confer the supposedly enlight- ened with any special qualities, even though they often confer specialnessitude upon themselves. Who- ever they are, past or present, I hold them to the same standards I would hold anyone else. And these are *objective* standards. Do they lie? Do they break the law and commit fraud? Do they abuse the trust of students by sleeping with them? All of these things were done by both Maharishi and Rama. Knowing what I know about them, I wouldn't willingly be *friends* with either of them, much less consider them what most people think of "the enlightened." That said, I consider enlightenment very possible, but again the Big Whoop Factor wins out for me. I don't seek it myself, and don't recommend that others seek it unless they get off on the idea.
