--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for > > > > them? That embodiment stuff. > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied? > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation > > believe in. > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the > > notion that physical existence is somehow on > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental. > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought > > an end to incarnation was more than a little > > life-averse, and had just never figured out > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind > > in the years since. > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not "be here > now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a glorified and > perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply disregarding the I/me story > and the relative world in general as unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. >
You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS. What you state below makes sense and is what Eastern spirituality is about, if you want to call it a new name or toy that's perfectly all right. > The embodied awakening of Waking Down is an awakening to the paradox of being > both limited and completely unbounded. There is no trying to destroy the ego > or renunciation of the world in Waking Down. For me, the embodiment aspect > involved a brutal free-fall into all the shadow stuff I'd spent decades > trying to push away or change. There's no more denial or extreme aversion to > being who I am as a person, exactly as I am right now. Awakening to the > conscious nature took place in the dark night of the soul, when everything in > the relative that I was attached to turned to ashes. >
