--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@...> wrote:
>
> Well put Alex. I started to fade on the idea in the late 70s after 6 or 7
> years of hearing that the "next big course" was the one, the big one, the one
> that will really put you over. I went full tilt at it for as long as I could,
> but man, am I ever glad I took my foot off the imaginary spiritual
> accelerator pedal and refocused my life on the things that really bring
> pleasure to me, like capturing music.
>
> That's not to say I dislike TM. I do it every morning for one reason only. It
> feels good and I like it.
>
>
But why even TM or any other meditation? Isn't that an addiction? I'm glad I
never meditated as in sitting and closing eyes not out of a lack of trying. I
tried chanting and meditating in the past and it only made me sleep more. Only
something dynamic works for me since I'm so lethargic. I listen to my music,
sing and dance and get blissed out everyday and then wonder sometimes if it's
addiction. I really don't need it but I feel it expresses the depth of feeling
well, of course I just have fun talking and communicating with others as well,
often I get too blissed out just talking, more so it's an attractive woman and
during work or even doing nothing. So I know my music's not an issue.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@>
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote:
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
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> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > > > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for
> > > > > > > > > them? That embodiment stuff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that
> > > > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term
> > > > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but
> > > > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening
> > > > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY
> > > > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation
> > > > > > > believe in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or
> > > > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought
> > > > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better'
> > > > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the
> > > > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on
> > > > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was
> > > > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no
> > > > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming
> > > > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you
> > > > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a
> > > > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was
> > > > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought
> > > > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little
> > > > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out
> > > > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind
> > > > > > > in the years since.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to
> > > > > > not "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on
> > > > > > creating a glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or
> > > > > > simply disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in
> > > > > > general as unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS.
> > > >
> > > > Your opinion of my opinion is BS.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you
> > > need to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for
> > > stating the obvious.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of
> > having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is
> > always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years
> > of doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping
> > elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here
> > now and directly addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas
> > paraded around the farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one,
> > and it was all about how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the
> > maha-mantra so that we can have better lives in future incarnations. Other
> > traditions are focused on cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences,
> > rainbow bodies, states of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that
> > self-improvement is wrong, but it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing
> > attachment as sex, food, drugs, money, etc.
> >
>
