--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <j_alexander_stanley@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > > > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And oh those poor Bonder people. What are we going to do for > > > > > > > them? That embodiment stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > What's your beef with embodiment? Are you suggesting that > > > > > > spiritual awakening should involve being disembodied? > > > > > > > > > > Alex, I have no earthly idea what the term > > > > > "embodiment" means to Waking Down folks, but > > > > > when you think about it, "spiritual awakening > > > > > should involve being disembodied" is EXACTLY > > > > > what people who seek an end to reincarnation > > > > > believe in. > > > > > > > > > > Whether they've examined the belief deeply or > > > > > not, it seems to me that anyone who has bought > > > > > into the "no longer incarnating is 'better' > > > > > than reincarnating" stuff has bought into the > > > > > notion that physical existence is somehow on > > > > > a 'lesser' plane than the transcendental. > > > > > > > > > > I don't buy it, and didn't even back when I was > > > > > a TM TB and Maharishi was giving his, "Nope, no > > > > > matter what, if you die in CC there is no coming > > > > > back, period" talks. I heard them "live." If you > > > > > listen to the tapes, you can probably hear a > > > > > really loud guffaw when he says this. That was > > > > > me. It seemed to me then that anyone who sought > > > > > an end to incarnation was more than a little > > > > > life-averse, and had just never figured out > > > > > what a blast life is. Haven't changed my mind > > > > > in the years since. > > > > > > > > Eastern spirituality very often does involve trying very hard to not > > > > "be here now" exactly as now is. There's a lot of focus on creating a > > > > glorified and perfected I/me story of the future and/or simply > > > > disregarding the I/me story and the relative world in general as > > > > unimportant. IMO, that's just escapism. > > > > > > > > > > You opinion of what Eastern spirituality is BS. > > > > Your opinion of my opinion is BS. > > > > Whatever dude, it's the oldest trick - if you have to sell something you need > to make others stuff look bad. You may be proud of it, sorry for stating the > obvious. >
I'm not selling anything. I stated an opinion based on my observations of having lived in FF for almost 29 years. In the TM world, enlightenment is always this exalted state of future perfection that requires endless years of doing program twice a day. The TM model of tiptoeing around sleeping elephants perfectly demonstrates the TM world escapism of not being here now and directly addressing what is. A few years ago, the Hare Krishnas paraded around the farmers market, handing out pamphlets. I looked at one, and it was all about how we need to be celibate vegetarians and chant the maha-mantra so that we can have better lives in future incarnations. Other traditions are focused on cultivating futures full of esoteric experiences, rainbow bodies, states of samadhi, etc. Which is not to say that self-improvement is wrong, but it can be every bit an awakening-obstructing attachment as sex, food, drugs, money, etc.
