--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> 
> wrote:
<snip>
> > Much of my confidence in his past doesn't come from the details 
> > of the doctrine...
> 
> Which any idiot could master and parrot "correctly," as 
> exemplified by those claiming he hasn't. :-)

Except that it doesn't have anything to do with details
of the doctrine. It has to do with whether Vaj knows
what the instructions for TM are. Even easier to master
and parrot correctly if you've taken TTC or even just
checker training. But Vaj can't do it.

<snip>
> I honestly think that this whole vendetta is just that,
> Yet Another Attempt to portray someone who is critical of
> TM as a "liar."

We know he's a liar, just as we know you're a liar.
You're the only two people here who regularly tell
lies, and the only two who are regularly accused of
being liars, even though FFL is crammed with TM
critics. So your whole "vendetta" notion is nonsense.

On the other hand, you've never been accused of lying
about your TMer status, even though you lie constantly
about other things. Why is that, do you suppose?

> As Curtis pointed out so well in the rest
> of his post, that is preferable for some people to believe
> than it is to believe that someone as obviously intelli-
> gent as Vaj is has rejected most of what he once held to
> be true, *because they still hold it to be true*.

Bullshit. This isn't about what anybody believes is true.
It's about Vaj misstating what the TM instructions say.

And we have had plenty of intelligent folks here who've
rejected what they once held to be true, but nobody
has suggested they were misrepresenting their TM status.

> It's an
> "easy out" to believe -- or claim, even if one doesn't
> really believe it -- that he "never learned TM" or "never 
> learned TM 'properly'" or "was never a TM teacher" than 
> it is for them to believe that he did all of those things, 
> and then just decided that much of it (not all, even in 
> Vaj's stated opinions) was bullshit.

Also bullshit. You and Curtis are never accused of
never having learned TM or never having been a TM
teacher, and both of you have decided much of what
you used to believe is bullshit. Why not? Why is Vaj
the only one there are doubts about?

> I think much of it (not all) was bullshit, too. And there
> is seemingly no question that I have Been There, Done That.

Right. Why is there no question about that?

> If there was, the same tactic would be being used on me.

And rightly so. It isn't a "tactic." It would happen
to anybody whose posts showed they didn't know what
the instructions for TM were, *even if they were bliss-
ninny True Believers*. Maybe *especially* if they were
TBs.

> Most other things have. I've been accused of being a tax
> criminal, a sexual predator, a drunk, a druggie, and was
> thrown out of the TM movement. As it turns out, I am none 
> of those things. All of these things were made up by people
> wanting to convince others on this forum to believe them,
> and thus discredit the things I say.

And these things were actually *more credible* than
that you were never a TM teacher.

Jeez, talk about stepping on your own point! And you
don't even realize you've done it.

You forgot that it's also been suggested that you're
experiencing serious mental deterioration. That's the
most credible of all.


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