thx, interesting discussion. I sent the info on Brahmarshi Daivarata - provided by Emptybill linked to Frawley; to Jerry. ... Special bonus, the ENTELODONT - "A giant, truly disgusting ancient pig-like monster", rendered by Jerry Lofaro. Click onto the screen to get the next in the series of prehistoric hideous monsters. Rather nice! - evidence that the "Creator" came up with some creations more exciting than humans. Just kidding, just part of Darwinian evolution. ... The Entelodont: http://www.jerrylofaro.com/#prehysteria/21
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > Hi William: > > On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:31 PM, emptybill wrote: > > > Buddhist literary borrowings from shaiva texts are quite clear. However > > that does not invalidate the idea of a common yogic cultural sphere which > > went both ways. Yogins often do not mind mixing dharmas since they are > > concerned primarily with what works. > > > > > > That is a good point. It's also important to get that the idea of strict, > compartmentalized "paths" is actually relatively new, within the last > millennium or so. > > I also think you should read Sanderson's detractors responses to appreciate > his errors. > > > The Bon dharma appears to synthesize the pre-tantric Buddhism of Zhang > > Zhung with Trans-Himalayan, native shamanism. So what? That is no reason to > > indulge in doctrinaire attributions. Tibetans like to do that why ape > > them? > > > > The primary problem is people's outside of Tibet tended to collectively > downgrade their opinions of not only Tibetans as a people, but Tibetans as a > civilization. Consequently historical opinions as to cultural diffusion were > skewed against the Tibetans. Nothing could ever have originated from these > barbarians (never mind that's where many rishis came from). The Chinese > effectively branded them as barbarians, and other surrounding countries > performed similar disinformation campaigns. To place it in the context of the > USA, it would be like Mestizo descendants of Don Juan Matus suddenly begin > dissolving into rainbow light over the Southwest, multiplying and their > leader crosses the border into Rick Perry's Texas. > > > > Khachab Rinpoche took Bon Dzogchen teachings from Lopon Tenzin Namdak and > > personally verified their authentic nature along with their correspondences > > to Nyingma Dzochen. His sister was a Bonpo practitioner married to a > > Mongolian Lama. He has real knowledge about their teachings and practice. > > > > > > I also have teaching from the Lopon, and close, regular advice from his > heart-students. It's very clear the diffusion went Zhang Zhung -> India and > to China as well (remember Taoism?). > > What amazed me was how much the Bonpos understood about Shaivite pre-history. > > > Considering your many Shaiva contentions here on FFL, I would expect you to > > agree that Shaiva MahaBhairava traditions influenced Buddhist Tantric > > practices rather than try to mystify it all into Tögal bindus. > > > Well no, I assume there was some hybridization. However, at the level of > experience, beyond time or place, you see and appreciate a universal level. > The only lineal markings are our own projections. > > > Same for Tertons. They don't need to be puffed up into Vedic rishis since > > they already possess a profound set of teachings transmitted directly by > > rigpa yeshe. > > > > > > Yes, of course. But then there are official lineages and there are natural > lineages too. >
