--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon <mdixon.6569@> wrote: > > > > > > Placebo. Nice way to look at it. I always thought of it > > > as the carrot and the stick. M always needed a way to > > > keep people interested in the movement and gaining > > > enlightenment. At first it was the 5-8 year plan, then > > > rounding courses, then age of enlightenment courses, > > > then Sidhis, then ayurveda, jyotish,yagyas and then > > > he says * if I had this knowledge(SV) we would be > > > through.* He always found a way to keep the TBs > > > thinking *it* was just around the corner. The Gita > > > clearly says *only after many life times of this > > > practice does one come to Me*. Of course ,that was > > > explained away as *Life times* just meant, each time > > > you transcended. Why wouldn't Krishna have put it > > > that way in the first place? One story in one of the > > > Upanishads tells of a Devotee of a great Guru who > > > asked *how many more life times will it take for me > > > to become enlightened?* The master said as many births > > > as there are on that tree, pointing to an enormous > > > banyan tree with tens of thousands of leaves. The > > > devotee felt enormous relief knowing his births > > > could be counted. > > > > The last thing Marshy wanted people to change that, > > apparently, was holding back the glorious day of > > personal enlightenment, was exposure to electromagnetic > > fields. A purusha friend of mine at Vlodrop was even > > carrying around an electric field meter everywhere he > > went to see what "damage" it was doing to himself and > > everyone else.
Here is a clue in the paragraph above: there is no such thing as 'personal' enlightenment. The intellectual, mental disposition of movement philosophy keeps you looking at the path, not at the goal. Remember the story of the rope and the snake. The path is the snake but it is not made clear that the the path is actually nonsense, and so one remains trapped in delusion, just with different parameters than before one became 'spiritual'. The desire, or need to create and maintain a large organisation to promote enlightenment seems to bear with it a critical mass above which, the survival of the organisation becomes more important than the result it is supposed to achieve. And then the descriptions and hints about what 'enlightenment' might be like are taken as truths rather than as pointers to truth, and doctrine is born, and we have a new religion, which as even M said, represents the decay of pure knowledge. Does anyone ever ask themselves 'What is pure knowledge, really?' Suppose you were stranded on a desert island after a shipwreck on a beach that faces only south; none of the movement trappings (or some other movements stuff) ever to be available to you again other than perhaps the meditation you were taught. And you still wanted to get enlightened, how would you proceed? No one is going to come and save your ass in this situation. No special buildings, no special food, no ceremonies, no medicines, no trinkets, no new techniques. What would you do? > > Mobile and wireless phones, wi-fi, and that nasty AC > > current is all that's keeping us back now. Basically > > you need to live in a cave. > > I honestly don't know which is sadder -- Maharishi > coming up with reason after reason after reason for > why people weren't enlightened yet (rather than just > saying, "I was wrong...the techniques I made up don't > work"), or people continuing to believe the "reasons." > > I have to believe that the biggest part of the problem > is not Maharishi per se but the whole paradigm of > spiritual practice he learned and then passed along -- > "selling futures." Everything was always about how > glorious things would be, at some unspecified point > in the future (*always* in the future) when you would > finally be enlightened, or everyone would finally be > enlightened. > > I know thousands of people -- not only in the TM move- > ment but in others -- whose whole adult lifetimes have > revolved around living for a future goal that they have > never once seen the existence of conclusively demonstrated. > They were only told *about* it, by someone they trusted, > and that trust was enough to keep them practicing tech- > niques that in many cases they did not enjoy, or pursuing > lifestyle choices (like celibacy) that they did not enjoy, > or shelling out thousands and thousands (if not millions, > in the case of the Rajas) of dollars to the person who > kept promising them this golden future that never seemed > to arrive. > > Religions and spiritual practices promise glorious futures > because they don't have glorious presents to offer. The > techniques they sell may help to reduce stress and enable > one to feel a little better on a day-to-day basis, but > the carrot is still way out there at the end of a long > stick that keeps getting longer and longer and longer > with every passing day. And yet people keep chasing it. > > I personally don't see any difference between a lifelong > pursuit of the promise of enlightenment and the Judeo- > Christian pursuit of a rosy afterlife in Heaven. Heaven > in heaven, Heaven on earth -- same sales pitch. "Just give > us your money and keep doing what we told you to do and > everything will be fine." Meanwhile they've spent so many > years focused on an imagined future that they can no > longer enjoy the present moment. > > I'm thankful that I bailed before things got *really* > crazy in the TMO. When I bailed the future being sold > was personal enlightenment, with barely a hint of global > enlightenment. But soon after came the really crazy > shit -- ayurveda, Chopra, S-V, "million dollar courses," > "immortality courses," "Vedaland," being herded into > domes like the Eloi in H.G. Wells' "The Time Machine," > fear of South-facing entrances, fear of "seeing other > teachers," fear of "negativity," fear, fear, fear. > > And all of them distractions to keep people from think- > ing about whether *any* of the things promised to them > had ever appeared. > > Looking back on it all, I really don't hold any anger > towards anyone or try to affix blame on anyone or any > group for all this, just sadness. It was what it was, > that's all. The whole show was just the result of the > spiritual paradigm in place at the basis of everything > -- "Trust in what we have told you about the rosy future > in store for you. Pay no attention to that man behind > the curtain, unless he demands money and tells you that > the world will end unless you provide it. Then give, > give, give, give, for he is to be trusted." > > Yeah, right. > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect > > > > > > I can't argue with any of that! > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: allanrosenzweig <allanrosenzweig@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:14 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sthapatya Veda is just a Placebo Effect > > > > > > It is sorry to see people in Skelmersdale working to make a whole new > > > Sthapatya-vedic village, wasting all the effort to build a community, > > > including a Golden Dome, with the idea that much good will come of it. > > > We all want to believe that Maharishi is 100% correct. But we have also > > > seen Veda Land fail, Deepak Chopra going off on his own, tallest building > > > in the world in the center of India, and other failed projects and > > > mistakes. We tend to forget about these. He does not have to be 100% > > > correct to be the wisest man on Earth. 90%, or even 80%, is still WAY > > > above everyone else. If the Brits are looking to Fairfield Iowa as an > > > example of SV "success" think again. Telegroup was doing fine, as one of > > > the top 1% of American businesses, until they established their > > > headquarters in a new SV building. They not only did NOT succeed, they > > > started going bankrupt. Telegroup went from hiring over 400 employees, > > > to hiring zero - even though it is in an > > > industry that has flourished, telecommunications. Same with Global Link, > > > and other companies in Fairfield that put their faith in SV. MUM tore > > > down about 15 "pod" dormitories that were in good shape because the were > > > not SV. They had to have a fund raiser to tear them down. There was no > > > massive influx of students - mainly visa seeking foreign students who > > > don't seem to really care about the meditation. There is not enough > > > housing, so many have to live off campus, and tend to be less on the > > > program. It would have been better to keep the pods, and get the revenue > > > for the rooms for the students. There is not enough money to build > > > replacement housing. There are just empty fields there. If something is > > > going to work, it will show results. We have given SV about 20 years to > > > show that it works. There is not a single scientific article published > > > about it, much less its success. People would have noticed, in > > > thousands of years, if facing east really > > > brought success or if south did not. When does the Sun go from being > > > good at sunrise in the east to being bad around noon in the south? The > > > whole sun-based "logic" is not internally consistent. SV is just a > > > placebo effect. If you think it works, it does. If you don't think it > > > works, you are also right. Skelmersdale, save your time and money. > > > Build on what you have already achieved. Maharishi's TM, TM-Sidhis > > > Program, and Super Radiance do work, and have scientific research behind > > > them. Sadly SV does not work. We should face the truth and judge > > > knowledge by its fruits. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, > > > Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > Quite simply you don't know what > > > you are talking about - as to feng shui, even a cursory examination of > > > the multitude of feng shui resources will show that in feng shui south > > > facing entrances can be quite positive. There are many different kinds of > > > feng shui and most practitioners (unlike > > > Maha) don't claim to have revitalized and rejuvenated and brought forth > > > the real deal of truth out of an ancient practice. > > Someone told > > > Maharishi early on that feng shui had good things to say about a south > > > facing entrance and thus in classic Mahastyle he bad mouthed all south > > > facing entrances to distinguish MAHARISHI sthapatya veda from feng shui, > > > really hamming it up as to how much woe and bad fortune would accrue if > > > you don't get a MAHARISHI vastu veda design. And he did this to frighten > > > people into using only HIS brand of architecture to, of course increase > > > his revenue. > > As I have stated here before, if one looks at other > > > vastu veda web sites that are not connected to the Movement, you will see > > > that most of them address the issue of south facing entrances by saying > > > that there are some (unnamed) people who claim an east facing entrance is > > > the only one that is viable and acceptable and that this assertion in not > > > true in all circumstances. > > > These are people who have been studying and practicing vastu veda far > > > longer than Big M ever did. > > Maha didn't contribute a damn thing to > > > vastu veda except to treat it like all the Hindu/Vedic stuff he promoted > > > over the years, tried to make out like he was the one who either invented > > > it or revitalized it and brought it back into its full glory. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: wgm4u > > > <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > To: > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 8, > > > 2012 7:36 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Progress in the Fairfield > > > Dome Meditation Numbers! > > > à> Maharishi's contribution to the > > > field of architecture via vedic vastu is truly valuable, but like > > > everything in the tmorg it becomes a panacea for all of the worlds woes > > > which is nonsense and a hyperbole. > > Clearly East facing facades are > > > superior, even in Feng Shui (Chinese architecture) this is true. > > --- > > > In > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > wrote: > > > > Thank you for telling me this although my question was to > > > Anne about the idea that a Master wouldn't incarnate in a female body, > > > which of course is horse shit - actually not even as good as horse shit > > > cuz you can use horse shit as compost which helps things grow if used > > > properly > > > > On another note, I don't think the Movements best foot > > > these days is TM sidhis - it has to be vastu veda - I can't wait for > > > everyone to begin to rebuild there homes and offices to have the proper > > > vastus - I intend to hover over the line of taxis to see the construction > > > efforts, the line of taxis carrying all the re-certified governors to the > > > mountains to escape the millions of people who are clamoring to be > > > initiated. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@> > > To: > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 30, > > > 2012 5:03 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Progress in the Fairfield > > > Dome Meditation Numbers! > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > --- In > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > what kind of readings do you get that tell you that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack, in the meditating community you only need to > > > contribute money to the right places to get on the right mailing lists. > > > The only thing is that I have to re-write these releases they send to me > > > to make them much less antagonizing and more palatable for folks to read > > > as I do 'forward' them on to people to read. As our movement > > > 'development' apparatchiks write copy what comes out of their offices is > > > TM-sidhis "yogic flying" this and TM-sidhis "yogic flying" that. If > > > they did some honest market research and focus groups they would know > > > that most folks here identify as 'meditators' and are not interested in > > > "Yogic Flying" anymore and are in fact > > > antagonized by putting "yogic flying" forward as our best foot. These > > > releases read better re-written substituting "meditator" and "meditation" > > > for TM-sidhis "yogic flyer" and "yogic flying". > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: > > > awoelflebater <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > > To: > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, November > > > 29, 2012 11:17 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: !Progress in the > > > Fairfield Dome Meditation Numbers! > > > > > > > > > > > > Ã�'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In > > > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > To > > > our dear Meditating Movement family, > > > > > > > > The Vedic Pandits > > > are finally coming Ã�'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"not just the original 556 > > > but a total of 600! > > > > > > > > With the addition of this group of > > > Pandits, we will achieve a stable Super Radiance group of 2,000 > > > meditating to create > > > Invincibility for America, a goal we have all worked towards for 30 > > > years. > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > Buck, do me a favour, and I am > > > dead serious here, let me know what invincibility for America looks like > > > when it happens. I am so dense I might just miss it. Oh, and while you're > > > at it maybe you could point out Maitreya if you happen to stumble on > > > him/her (I think it is a him though, because somehow women aren't yet > > > qualified, according to my readings, to embody such a powerful Supreme > > > Master within their more delicate physiques.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
