"I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path" I don't doubt any one's spiritual experiences. There are several people who may share their spiritual experiences, their subjectives states of bliss, energy - I listen, because I believe in it - but the minute I see them trying to build a narrative out of it, some fancy tales, delusional fantasies, an elaborate philosophy to peddle I challenge it. I can't help it Rory - it's not your experiences I have a problem with it's the narrative you are peddling - the wavicle, particle, Us, me bullshit. I can't help it - I have nothing against you personally. I have been meaning to go after your narrative for a while but you haven't been on FFL for a while.
I like several posters here on FFL, consider some as my friends - they are the ones who don't peddle anything here, haven't so far anyway. But if they do I will challenge them as well. I would rather not have any friends than support anyone's delusions. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > Dear Rory, > > I am going to consolidate my replies in this reply to your post here > because it perfectly demonstrates what I want to say. > > You say it's not your style to point your finger outwards with reference to > Barry. So you will just encourage someone's delusions (Barry's delusions in > this case) because it is not your philosophy. You don't want to feel the > tension, the metaphysical tension caused by the divergent, discordant > nature of reality and you would rather numb the complexities, the > contradictions by sticking to your philosophy of *Us* and *Me*. It is clear > then that you are not driven by any spiritual experience that has caused > any transformation, not motivated by any search for truth but have created > a very beautiful sounding narrative based on borrowed concepts of Maharishi > - now you have given your own spin to it and you spout your philosophy ad > nauseam. > > This is the same issue with your erstwhile online autobiography. It was > hilarous - I only read a few lines over a few chapters and it drove me > totally nuts. I'm glad you are over those experiences but its the same > thing you have switched one narrative for another. > > I can't seem to remember the incredible narrative of your biography, I have > to say you have a highly fantasized, imaginative mind - but you have this > new narrative now - me, Us, wavicles, particles, healing and integrating of > you and in me (did I get that right). > > I am trying my best to be cordial given the sensitive nature of pointing > out someone's delusions - your delusions in this case. I don't doubt your > sincerity, your genuineness - you are a really nice guy. I look at your > picture to day and I go - Oh really Ravi, you want to do this to this nice > guy Rory with a beautiful smile? But I had to. This is not your school, not > your captive audience, not the Batgap list Rory - this is FFL where the > Kali's Pimp does his drive-bys. > > I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path - you hear > me? It's the narrative you have built, it's the abstract, vague > philosophical bullshit that you spout that I have an issue against. > > It's lame for you to concur with Share on me being testy from trying to > wean off smoking Rory. Anyone who knows me personally know how balanced, > how calm I am even as I am being under various stress, needs of life, how > totally under control I am even as I get mad at people's dishonesty (my > friends don't get to see that though - that is my anger) > > No Rory - you can do better than that. Or may be you can't - you can't help > yourself. > > But have mercy on others - just imagine there's a limit on posting, get > those wavicles of yours that are out of whack under control. > > > Ravi. > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@... wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" chivukula.ravi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Well Barry's never had an issue with Rory Mark II because Rory Mark II > > > never had anything much to say to Barry's dishonest tantrums other than > > > wavicle, particle, me, Us, love, light, laughter bullshit. Perhaps Rory > > > had an opening at the Rorian Mystery School and was looking at Barry as > > > a potential student? We will never know and perhaps it is destined to > > > remain a mystery. > > > > Hey, Ravi, I am happy you have felt moved to call Barry on his "tantrums" > > (plural: tantra?), if that pleases you, but that is not my style. I don't > > find, usually, that pointing my finger outward really solves my feelings > > inward. Some of that may be because I grew up in a family with a very > > large, strong, unpredictably angry father, where that kind of honesty would > > have instantly brought me great suffering, if not death, and, coward that I > > am, I didn't particularly want to suffer or -- miserable though I found > > life sometimes -- to die. > > > > Of course, there are always exceptions, and I contain huge amounts of > > ignorance within me, and in real life I speak out in an attempt to "comb > > the mirror" more often than necessary, I am pretty sure. > > > > Your mileage may of course widely vary. I am not trying to change you or > > Barry or Judy. I see my mission here as simple: love what IS, no matter how > > ugly it may appear to me and in me at first. Of course, as you can see, I > > also like the feeling of understanding and being understood, and hence my > > dialogues. And I like the feeling of assimilation and healing, once I have > > actually assimilated and healed the rather intense suffering I often feel > > here. Anyhow, thank you for being You. > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > >
