Ravi - As Rory, said, a lot of this is shorthand, for *shared* experiences, within the context of the symptoms that Maharishi associated with each one. So you are saying, take it off-line. But you are in the minority here, wrt the class the rest of us have taken. Mostly current and ex-TM'ers, here on FFL.
Here's a background, states of consciousness, and associated symptoms: CC - 24/7 witnessing, living in silence. GC - perception of the finest relative. What it says, including worlds and beings not clearly evident to most. UC - Unity predominates over differences. Brahman - an integrated life, incorporating all of the above, in a package, and much, much more. So, rather than this be an attempt to have a shared jack-off session, with Rory, using code to show how enlightened we are, and how mystical, it is rather, an implicit show of understanding, and respect. That each of these phenomena, as described in the symptom table above, can be understood, experientially, as a strata of consciousness, vs. some random "God-like" event. Rory and I are actually sharing a lot of info, during our quips and twists, but since you do not share the thirty or so years of shared experience, it goes right over your head. As Maxwell Smart would say, "Sorry about that, chief". --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" <chivukula.ravi@...> wrote: > > "I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path" > > I don't doubt any one's spiritual experiences. There are several people > who may share their spiritual experiences, their subjectives states of > bliss, energy - I listen, because I believe in it - but the minute I see > them trying to build a narrative out of it, some fancy tales, delusional > fantasies, an elaborate philosophy to peddle I challenge it. I can't > help it Rory - it's not your experiences I have a problem with it's the > narrative you are peddling - the wavicle, particle, Us, me bullshit. I > can't help it - I have nothing against you personally. I have been > meaning to go after your narrative for a while but you haven't been on > FFL for a while. > > I like several posters here on FFL, consider some as my friends - they > are the ones who don't peddle anything here, haven't so far anyway. But > if they do I will challenge them as well. I would rather not have any > friends than support anyone's delusions. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > Dear Rory, > > > > I am going to consolidate my replies in this reply to your post here > > because it perfectly demonstrates what I want to say. > > > > You say it's not your style to point your finger outwards with > reference to > > Barry. So you will just encourage someone's delusions (Barry's > delusions in > > this case) because it is not your philosophy. You don't want to feel > the > > tension, the metaphysical tension caused by the divergent, discordant > > nature of reality and you would rather numb the complexities, the > > contradictions by sticking to your philosophy of *Us* and *Me*. It is > clear > > then that you are not driven by any spiritual experience that has > caused > > any transformation, not motivated by any search for truth but have > created > > a very beautiful sounding narrative based on borrowed concepts of > Maharishi > > - now you have given your own spin to it and you spout your philosophy > ad > > nauseam. > > > > This is the same issue with your erstwhile online autobiography. It > was > > hilarous - I only read a few lines over a few chapters and it drove me > > totally nuts. I'm glad you are over those experiences but its the same > > thing you have switched one narrative for another. > > > > I can't seem to remember the incredible narrative of your biography, I > have > > to say you have a highly fantasized, imaginative mind - but you have > this > > new narrative now - me, Us, wavicles, particles, healing and > integrating of > > you and in me (did I get that right). > > > > I am trying my best to be cordial given the sensitive nature of > pointing > > out someone's delusions - your delusions in this case. I don't doubt > your > > sincerity, your genuineness - you are a really nice guy. I look at > your > > picture to day and I go - Oh really Ravi, you want to do this to this > nice > > guy Rory with a beautiful smile? But I had to. This is not your > school, not > > your captive audience, not the Batgap list Rory - this is FFL where > the > > Kali's Pimp does his drive-bys. > > > > I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path - you > hear > > me? It's the narrative you have built, it's the abstract, vague > > philosophical bullshit that you spout that I have an issue against. > > > > It's lame for you to concur with Share on me being testy from trying > to > > wean off smoking Rory. Anyone who knows me personally know how > balanced, > > how calm I am even as I am being under various stress, needs of life, > how > > totally under control I am even as I get mad at people's dishonesty > (my > > friends don't get to see that though - that is my anger) > > > > No Rory - you can do better than that. Or may be you can't - you can't > help > > yourself. > > > > But have mercy on others - just imagine there's a limit on posting, > get > > those wavicles of yours that are out of whack under control. > > > > > > Ravi. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" > chivukula.ravi@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well Barry's never had an issue with Rory Mark II because Rory > Mark II > > > > never had anything much to say to Barry's dishonest tantrums other > than > > > > wavicle, particle, me, Us, love, light, laughter bullshit. Perhaps > Rory > > > > had an opening at the Rorian Mystery School and was looking at > Barry as > > > > a potential student? We will never know and perhaps it is destined > to > > > > remain a mystery. > > > > > > Hey, Ravi, I am happy you have felt moved to call Barry on his > "tantrums" > > > (plural: tantra?), if that pleases you, but that is not my style. I > don't > > > find, usually, that pointing my finger outward really solves my > feelings > > > inward. Some of that may be because I grew up in a family with a > very > > > large, strong, unpredictably angry father, where that kind of > honesty would > > > have instantly brought me great suffering, if not death, and, coward > that I > > > am, I didn't particularly want to suffer or -- miserable though I > found > > > life sometimes -- to die. > > > > > > Of course, there are always exceptions, and I contain huge amounts > of > > > ignorance within me, and in real life I speak out in an attempt to > "comb > > > the mirror" more often than necessary, I am pretty sure. > > > > > > Your mileage may of course widely vary. I am not trying to change > you or > > > Barry or Judy. I see my mission here as simple: love what IS, no > matter how > > > ugly it may appear to me and in me at first. Of course, as you can > see, I > > > also like the feeling of understanding and being understood, and > hence my > > > dialogues. And I like the feeling of assimilation and healing, once > I have > > > actually assimilated and healed the rather intense suffering I often > feel > > > here. Anyhow, thank you for being You. > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > > > > >
