The wavicles and particles stuff is a pretty close analogy to the properties of a photon. That's it. Not really a big challenge to see us in terms of both wave function and particle function, is it?
And seeing everyone inside oneself is not a perception I share with Rory, except to take complete responsibility for all of my personal interactions, which is nearly the same thing. Rather than see it as a statement of ego, I see it as Rory's statement of responsibility. Having said that, I posted earlier about teaching and managing, and how both disciplines lead to creativity of expression, when trying to make a point. The last thing I want to do when conveying info, is use language that first needs a lot of explanation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Ravi - As Rory, said, a lot of this is shorthand, for *shared* > > experiences, within the context of the symptoms that Maharishi > > associated with each one. > > Some of it is, and some of it is peculiar (in both senses > of the term!) to Rory, the "wavicles" and "particles" kind > of stuff, as Ravi notes below. > > > > > So you are saying, take it off-line. But you are in the minority here, wrt > the class the rest of us have taken. Mostly current and ex-TM'ers, here on > FFL. > > > > Here's a background, states of consciousness, and associated symptoms: > > CC - 24/7 witnessing, living in silence. > > GC - perception of the finest relative. What it says, including worlds and > > beings not clearly evident to most. > > UC - Unity predominates over differences. > > Brahman - an integrated life, incorporating all of the above, in a package, > > and much, much more. > > > > So, rather than this be an attempt to have a shared jack-off session, with > > Rory, using code to show how enlightened we are, and how mystical, it is > > rather, an implicit show of understanding, and respect. That each of these > > phenomena, as described in the symptom table above, can be understood, > > experientially, as a strata of consciousness, vs. some random "God-like" > > event. > > > > Rory and I are actually sharing a lot of info, during our quips and twists, > > but since you do not share the thirty or so years of shared experience, it > > goes right over your head. > > > > As Maxwell Smart would say, "Sorry about that, chief". > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" <chivukula.ravi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > "I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path" > > > > > > I don't doubt any one's spiritual experiences. There are several people > > > who may share their spiritual experiences, their subjectives states of > > > bliss, energy - I listen, because I believe in it - but the minute I see > > > them trying to build a narrative out of it, some fancy tales, delusional > > > fantasies, an elaborate philosophy to peddle I challenge it. I can't > > > help it Rory - it's not your experiences I have a problem with it's the > > > narrative you are peddling - the wavicle, particle, Us, me bullshit. I > > > can't help it - I have nothing against you personally. I have been > > > meaning to go after your narrative for a while but you haven't been on > > > FFL for a while. > > > > > > I like several posters here on FFL, consider some as my friends - they > > > are the ones who don't peddle anything here, haven't so far anyway. But > > > if they do I will challenge them as well. I would rather not have any > > > friends than support anyone's delusions. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rory, > > > > > > > > I am going to consolidate my replies in this reply to your post here > > > > because it perfectly demonstrates what I want to say. > > > > > > > > You say it's not your style to point your finger outwards with > > > reference to > > > > Barry. So you will just encourage someone's delusions (Barry's > > > delusions in > > > > this case) because it is not your philosophy. You don't want to feel > > > the > > > > tension, the metaphysical tension caused by the divergent, discordant > > > > nature of reality and you would rather numb the complexities, the > > > > contradictions by sticking to your philosophy of *Us* and *Me*. It is > > > clear > > > > then that you are not driven by any spiritual experience that has > > > caused > > > > any transformation, not motivated by any search for truth but have > > > created > > > > a very beautiful sounding narrative based on borrowed concepts of > > > Maharishi > > > > - now you have given your own spin to it and you spout your philosophy > > > ad > > > > nauseam. > > > > > > > > This is the same issue with your erstwhile online autobiography. It > > > was > > > > hilarous - I only read a few lines over a few chapters and it drove me > > > > totally nuts. I'm glad you are over those experiences but its the same > > > > thing you have switched one narrative for another. > > > > > > > > I can't seem to remember the incredible narrative of your biography, I > > > have > > > > to say you have a highly fantasized, imaginative mind - but you have > > > this > > > > new narrative now - me, Us, wavicles, particles, healing and > > > integrating of > > > > you and in me (did I get that right). > > > > > > > > I am trying my best to be cordial given the sensitive nature of > > > pointing > > > > out someone's delusions - your delusions in this case. I don't doubt > > > your > > > > sincerity, your genuineness - you are a really nice guy. I look at > > > your > > > > picture to day and I go - Oh really Ravi, you want to do this to this > > > nice > > > > guy Rory with a beautiful smile? But I had to. This is not your > > > school, not > > > > your captive audience, not the Batgap list Rory - this is FFL where > > > the > > > > Kali's Pimp does his drive-bys. > > > > > > > > I don't doubt your spiritual experiences, your spiritual path - you > > > hear > > > > me? It's the narrative you have built, it's the abstract, vague > > > > philosophical bullshit that you spout that I have an issue against. > > > > > > > > It's lame for you to concur with Share on me being testy from trying > > > to > > > > wean off smoking Rory. Anyone who knows me personally know how > > > balanced, > > > > how calm I am even as I am being under various stress, needs of life, > > > how > > > > totally under control I am even as I get mad at people's dishonesty > > > (my > > > > friends don't get to see that though - that is my anger) > > > > > > > > No Rory - you can do better than that. Or may be you can't - you can't > > > help > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > But have mercy on others - just imagine there's a limit on posting, > > > get > > > > those wavicles of yours that are out of whack under control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ravi. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 7:05 PM, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Chivukula" > > > chivukula.ravi@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Barry's never had an issue with Rory Mark II because Rory > > > Mark II > > > > > > never had anything much to say to Barry's dishonest tantrums other > > > than > > > > > > wavicle, particle, me, Us, love, light, laughter bullshit. Perhaps > > > Rory > > > > > > had an opening at the Rorian Mystery School and was looking at > > > Barry as > > > > > > a potential student? We will never know and perhaps it is destined > > > to > > > > > > remain a mystery. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Ravi, I am happy you have felt moved to call Barry on his > > > "tantrums" > > > > > (plural: tantra?), if that pleases you, but that is not my style. I > > > don't > > > > > find, usually, that pointing my finger outward really solves my > > > feelings > > > > > inward. Some of that may be because I grew up in a family with a > > > very > > > > > large, strong, unpredictably angry father, where that kind of > > > honesty would > > > > > have instantly brought me great suffering, if not death, and, coward > > > that I > > > > > am, I didn't particularly want to suffer or -- miserable though I > > > found > > > > > life sometimes -- to die. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, there are always exceptions, and I contain huge amounts > > > of > > > > > ignorance within me, and in real life I speak out in an attempt to > > > "comb > > > > > the mirror" more often than necessary, I am pretty sure. > > > > > > > > > > Your mileage may of course widely vary. I am not trying to change > > > you or > > > > > Barry or Judy. I see my mission here as simple: love what IS, no > > > matter how > > > > > ugly it may appear to me and in me at first. Of course, as you can > > > see, I > > > > > also like the feeling of understanding and being understood, and > > > hence my > > > > > dialogues. And I like the feeling of assimilation and healing, once > > > I have > > > > > actually assimilated and healed the rather intense suffering I often > > > feel > > > > > here. Anyhow, thank you for being You. > > > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
