Exactly. Barry's been obsessed with "winning" and "losing" ever since I've 
known him. 
 Ann wrote:
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 I do not believe that anyone can "lose" in an interaction with another person. 
Whatever they bring to the table is not altered by engaging in a discussion or 
in an argument. You are who you are when you enter into a conversation and you 
are who you are when you leave. Winning and losing are already givens and have 
nothing to do with any activity. The winners and the losers are not determined 
by anything external, it's about what they having goin' on inside.

 



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