Why are you guys discussing -- and Edg melting down over -- such petty
differences?
In N's original statement, there are no elements of good/better, better/best or
any of that shit. He spoke about three *equivalences* -- the world as it
appears as seen through the mind, the world as seen from beyond the mind, and
the world beyond even witnessing.
There is NO hierarchy of experience expressed in this quote.
You guys are inventing it and arguing about it. N was hip enough to realize
that all three levels of experience are on exactly the same level.
IMO, of course.
From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 37 words
Do you experience awareness? I'm sure you do or you would be residing up
on a hill with some stone markers or in an urn somewhere. So tell me how can
you experience awareness without consciousness? I think this is an issue of
semantics. Does Nisargadatta mean conflate "awareness" with "being?" Being
theoretically exists without consciousness because it pervades everything and
is the basis of everything. Some folks call that "being" "God." "Awareness"
would then be a poor choices of words. And yes I've read Nisargadatta.
On 03/19/2015 12:18 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Nisargadatta is using the words awareness and consciousness in specific,
technical ways. In his view consciousness is a sub-property of awareness.
Awareness is pure being, and consciousness 'emerges' from that. Much in the
same way M said 'when pure consciousness becomes conscious', or something like
that anyway. So whatever definition you might have in your head, to read
Nisargadatta, you need to scope out how he is using the words in his context.
You have to be conscious to notice awareness, but consciousness is dead without
awareness, awareness is the essential aspect or property of being.
Consciousness is the expressed character of awareness. When you become Brahman,
this is what you experience, you cannot know this before then. In speaking this
way, dividing experience into such layers, Nisargadatta, like any teacher, is
getting the student to attempt to enquire more deeply into their own experience
to see if this is so, or not so. If you see it is so, you do not need to think
about it any more for your own use, because it is a teaching fiction designed
to clarify the intellect during enquiry.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
You can't have awareness without consciousness. Without being conscious
there is nothing to be aware of.
On 03/19/2015 11:19 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
Q: But when you look at yourself, what do you see?
Nisargadatta: Itdepends how I look. When I look through the mind, I see
numberless people. When I look beyond the mind, I see the witness. Beyond the
witness there is the infinite intensity of emptiness and silence.
Edg: This is the constant teaching of Nisargadatta throughout his talks:
awareness is not consciousness.
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